Trump Rallies & Interviews Catch-All | Trump - “just stop talking about that”

[nycfan]

He was 3 hours late — kind of amazing anyone was still there.

 

[nycfan]

 

[CLT Heel]

OTOH

Honestly, and I know many of you on here disagree, but I still agree with Rogan here. I don’t have any problem with a system that requires you to prove you are who you say you are to vote. And I agree that only American citizens should be allowed to vote. It’s not unreasonable in my opinion to expect someone to verify who they are to be able to cast their vote.

Now, I also agree that voter fraud even without voter id is nearly non-existent so it shouldn’t matter, but we all have to verify our identity multiple times a week, so doing it to vote isn’t some huge inconvenience. For ANYONE.

 

[CallMeTyler]

OTOH

Yea Kamala! Why not go on Rogan while he asks why liberals are trying to silence criticism and deny ID requirements for voting to prevent fraud?

All totally normal and reasonable questions. - Rogan bro

 

[CallMeTyler]

Honestly, and I know many of you on here disagree, but I still agree with Rogan here. I don’t have any problem with a system that requires you to prove you are who you say you are to vote. And I agree that only American citizens should be allowed to vote. It’s not unreasonable in my opinion to expect someone to verify who they are to be able to cast their vote.

Now, I also agree that voter fraud even without voter id is nearly non-existent so it shouldn’t matter, but we all have to verify our identity multiple times a week, so doing it to vote isn’t some huge inconvenience. For ANYONE.

"voter fraud even without voter id is nearly non-existent"

So create rules to prevent things that don't happen? You've now perfectly articulated why the system already in place is sufficient to prevent fraud, and VID is an additional barrier to address a non-existent problem.

That's the entirety of the VID argument in a nutshell.

 

[Paine]

Yea Kamala! Why not go on Rogan while he asks why liberals are trying to silence criticism and deny ID requirements for voting to prevent fraud?

All totally normal and reasonable questions. - Rogan bro

Maybe to push back against this? Should we completely cede this audience to misinformation? Or should Kamala go on so his listeners can hear the truth?

 

[finesse]

Wouldn't bother me if she would. However, since she sees the internal numbers and the campaign knows what time and resources they have, I have absolutely no reason to second guess her if she doesn't. At this point, it's all ROI.

 

[HeelingAg]

Yea Kamala! Why not go on Rogan while he asks why liberals are trying to silence criticism and deny ID requirements for voting to prevent fraud?

All totally normal and reasonable questions. - Rogan bro

Rogan is arguably the most powerful influencer with young men. He’s a kook. He’s prone to believing conspiracy. He’s willing to spread a lot of toxicity. He’s also easily steered by his guests and rarely hostile.

If she goes on with well prepared rebuttals, keeps the tone conversational, focuses on economic opportunity , and outlines how unfit and easily manipulated ttump is, Rogan will soften. If Rogan softens on Harris, it could literally mean
10,000 extra votes in PA, 5000 in MI, 3000 in WI, maybe more.

 

[CallMeTyler]

Rogan is arguably the most powerful influencer with young men. He’s a kook. He’s prone to believing conspiracy. He’s willing to spread a lot of toxicity. He’s also easily steered by his guests and rarely hostile.

If she goes on with well prepared rebuttals, keeps the tone conversational, focuses on economic opportunity , and outlines how unfit and easily manipulated ttump is, Rogan will soften. If Rogan softens on Harris, it could literally mean
10,000 extra votes in PA, 5000 in MI, 3000 in WI, maybe more.

I don't disagree with your first few sentences.

However, we've seen Rogan literally criticize Biden for things done by Trump, and simply handwaves criticism after being shown it was Trump.

He's an adult. He's observed all of Trump's egregious performances and poor policy, his ramblings, insults and misbehavior.

He had a real opportunity to hold Trump accountable, and yet he set up spikes like "Liberals are trying to silence criticism" and "Voter IDs keep our elections fair". That's not an honest interlocutor - that's someone looking to position Trump and the GOP for an electoral win.

 

[HeelingAg]

I don't disagree with your first few sentences.

However, we've seen Rogan literally criticize Biden for things done by Trump, and simply handwaves criticism after being shown it was Trump.

He's an adult. He's observed all of Trump's egregious performances and poor policy, his ramblings, insults and misbehavior.

He had a real opportunity to hold Trump accountable, and yet he set up spikes like "Liberals are trying to silence criticism" and "Voter IDs keep our elections fair". That's not an honest interlocutor - that's someone looking to position Trump and the GOP for an electoral win.

Well, then you effectively cede an entire demo; a demo you can cut percentages off; a demo whose figurehead has openly endorsed Bernie. Hell, study the Bernie Rogan pod and articulate how each of your policies align with each Rogan head nod during that episode.

Also, Rogan doesn’t hold people accountable. You’re asking a duck to bark. Rogan is smarter than ttump, but they hold a similar characteristic - the last person they liked, who said something that sounded nice, is viewed favorably.

 

[lawtig02]

Well, then you effectively cede an entire demo; a demo you can cut percentages off; a demo whose figurehead has openly endorsed Bernie. Hell, study the Bernie Rogan pod and articulate how each of your policies align with each Rogan head nod during that episode.

I think Kamala doing Rogan is a great idea if she can make it work. But this whole idea of the election turning on young men just doesn’t make sense to me. Have you spent much time with today’s young men? They’ll bitch about anything, but they ain’t showing up to vote, in large numbers anyway.

And I do get your point about small percentages making a difference. But if Kamala’s not doing Rogan, it’s probably because she’s trying to influence comparable percentages of groups much more likely to turn out.

 

[Paine]

Well, then you effectively cede an entire demo; a demo you can cut percentages off; a demo whose figurehead has openly endorsed Bernie. Hell, study the Bernie Rogan pod and articulate how each of your policies align with each Rogan head nod during that episode.

Also, Rogan doesn’t hold people accountable. You’re asking a duck to bark. Rogan is smarter than ttump, but they hold a similar characteristic - the last person they liked, who said something that sounded nice, is viewed favorably.

This is the point I’ve been trying to make about progressives. I think when I use the word, people on the board think I’m talking exclusively about blue-haired college activists.

In reality, a very large percentage of all young people hold progressive views, including Rogan’s audience. Highlighting Cheney’s endorsement, going right-wing on immigration policy, etc. all give progressive leaning voters an excuse to sit out and say “this is just like it’s always been, I’m not going to bother to vote.”

These are people who are fed up with the system and politics as usual. Y’all always acknowledge how Americans voters are kind of dumb, and it’s true. That’s why you have to give them something to vote FOR.

 

[HeelingAg]

I think Kamala doing Rogan is a great idea if she can make it work. But this whole idea of the election turning on young men just doesn’t make sense to me. Have you spent much time with today’s young men? They’ll bitch about anything, but they ain’t showing up to vote, in large numbers anyway.

And I do get your point about small percentages making a difference. But if Kamala’s not doing Rogan, it’s probably because she’s trying to influence comparable percentages of groups much more likely to turn out.

Let me clarify, to your point - I trust Harris’ people to model turnout and edge cases far better than my pop prognostications. My response was to Tyler’s assertion that Rogan is a bad faith actor, thus Harris shouldn’t appear. I think that’s wrong. I think you’re likely right.

 

[lawtig02]

Let me clarify, to your point - I trust Harris’ people to model turnout and edge cases far better than my pop prognostications. My response was to Tyler’s assertion that Rogan is a bad faith actor, thus Harris shouldn’t appear. I think that’s wrong. I think you’re likely right.

Got it. Totally agree with that.

 

[nycfan]

 

[UNCatTech]

Honestly, and I know many of you on here disagree, but I still agree with Rogan here. I don’t have any problem with a system that requires you to prove you are who you say you are to vote. And I agree that only American citizens should be allowed to vote. It’s not unreasonable in my opinion to expect someone to verify who they are to be able to cast their vote.

Now, I also agree that voter fraud even without voter id is nearly non-existent so it shouldn’t matter, but we all have to verify our identity multiple times a week, so doing it to vote isn’t some huge inconvenience. For ANYONE.

We had to show our IDs to vote.

From what I've read most states require proof of citizenship to register.

The issue here is that there isn't really an issue. Trump just keeps bringing this up to prime the pump for his lies that the election is rigged.

 

[UNCatTech]

Maybe to push back against this? Should we completely cede this audience to misinformation? Or should Kamala go on so his listeners can hear the truth?

While I agree, do you believe any rogan bro is going to listen?

Also, can rogan conduct a decent interview or will he just try to talk over her with lies and bullshit without giving her an actual forum to discredit his bullshit?

 

[nycfan]

Not sure if I can listen to this but here you go:

 

[HeelingAg]

It’s the Bund, right down to MSG. 100% chance hiels happen in the crowd.

 

[farce©]

Honestly, and I know many of you on here disagree, but I still agree with Rogan here. I don’t have any problem with a system that requires you to prove you are who you say you are to vote. And I agree that only American citizens should be allowed to vote. It’s not unreasonable in my opinion to expect someone to verify who they are to be able to cast their vote.

Now, I also agree that voter fraud even without voter id is nearly non-existent so it shouldn’t matter, but we all have to verify our identity multiple times a week, so doing it to vote isn’t some huge inconvenience. For ANYONE.

I have never had an issue with the concept of voter ID, the problem comes in the practice. Alabama passed a voter ID law and promptly shut down 31 of the 67 DMV locations in the state (where state-issued IDs are obtained.). Most of those 31 offices were in poor black-majority counties in the Alabama Black Belt although the state legislators assured us that race had nothing to do with determining which locations to close. I am sure they were sincere (and also wrong.)

I have no problem with requiring an ID to vote (and I certainly have no problem with allowing only citizens to vote) but obtaining those IDs must be simple, accessible, and free. That is not the case in most jurisdictions. This middle-class white notion of "everybody has a driver license" or "all you need is a birth certificate to get a state ID" doesn't apply to thousands of mostly older poor folks. My father never had a birth certificate. He and his twin brother were born at home to poor white sharecroppers in 1914 in Effingham SC with the help of some church ladies, and there were notations in a family Bible. That's it.

This same situation that my impacted my father over 100 years ago applied for decades afterwards to poor rural black folks across the south. Not having a birth certificate is unthinkable to people born in hospitals after WWII, but there are thousands of people who never had a birth certificate, or whose birth certificate was lost over the years, and the process of getting a copy is a mystery to many of these folks. I realize there are people who believe anyone unable to manage the process of getting a copy of their birth certificate has no business voting, but I don't believe that is how our right to vote should work.

Devise a simple, free system of providing a voter ID to every eligible voter, and I will be fully on board with requiring an ID to vote. Designing such a system should be part and parcel of any voter ID requirement.