Trump Rallies & Interviews Catch-All | Trump - “just stop talking about that”

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Calheel said:
Yes and yes. I, too, know many very smart lawyers voting for Trump.

Like most of us, they are tribal voters who see the world through their church, friends, childhood psychology, etc. There aren't too many @CFordUNC's out there who cross over after those attitudes are set.
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I know I can only speak for myself, but the biggest impetus behind my crossover was simply that I got out of rural, small-town North Carolina. It's not even just that I went to UNC, although I'd like to think being at Carolina and being exposed for the first time in my life to a very wide variety of different backgrounds and perspectives played at least some part in it. But for most of the last 11 years since I graduated, I've had a job that takes me all over the country- from major cities and metro areas, to midsized cities, to small towns- and has introduced me to people of all races, ethnicities, socioeconomic circumstances, philosophies, viewpoints, walks of life, etc. I think that exposure to other places and other people has been the most significant driving factor in my ideological crossover. Once I learned for myself that all of these different types of places and all of these different types of people *weren't* big and bad and scary like I'd been made to believe growing up in small-town rural North Carolina, in the Southern Baptist church, it became a hell of a lot more difficult for me to adhere to Republican/conservative bullshit that told me that I needed to be deathly afraid or outright disdainful of those places and people.
 
nycfan said:
I dunno. I know plenty of lawyers who support Trump and they are not idiots, and unfortunately I know some Harris supporters who are absolute morons. There are plenty of people on both sides of the aisle who have a reasonable basis for supporting one side or the other due to whatever issues are most dear to them, but tend to be tribal about sticking with a side regardless of obvious flaws in a particular candidate. There are others who see the flaws and simply do not care -- they are aching for that upper class tax cut, for instance (to paraphrase Krusty the Clown), or have deeply based and genuine opposition to abortion, say, or believe that LGBTQ rights are more important than anything else and they would rather have a corrupt leader who agrees with them.

I think it is counter-productive to assume or insist that everyone who disagrees with you politically is just stupid or mislead. Plenty of people are just as baffled by support of Kamala Harris as I am by support of Trump. I mean, sure, they're wrong about plenty of stuff, in my opinion, but that doesn't make them dumb. Frankly, in America, if you don't get the votes of stupid people, you are going to lose in a landslide. But the range of intelligence of people supporting one side or the other runs the entire spectrum on both sides of the divide. Yes, there is an increasing concentration of educated voters on the Democratic side of the equation currently, but that has ebbed and flowed over the years as educated voters generally tend to flee from populist politics. And there are PLENTY of really bright people without college degrees and plenty of abject idiots with college degrees.
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I think education, not necessarily formal/college, can help with some things. For example, if you are educated on the ins and outs of voting, I think you are less likely to believe in The Steal. If you are educated or employed in a medical industry, you are probably less likely to be an anti-vaxxer.

Beyond that, it's really a crap shoot. Kind of like being religious, and believing everything associated with religions, it really ends up being out of the control of each individual person. It could be how you were raised. It could be that, on your first trek into cable news, you happened to pick Fox over CNN. It could be an influential person in your life that inadvertently shaped your initial political views. The number of external influences, that shapes us, are virtually limitless, but I don't believe intelligence is necessarily a big factor.
 
HeelingAg said:
For a lot of folks, educated or not, the conspiracy is merely the cope for the fear and anxiety created by a lack of agency. The pandemic was a rational trigger for mass coping, some healthily, some deleteriously. Was your classmate experiencing other upending events? Health concerns, relationships falling apart, stress at work or losing a job, collapsing financial circumstances, all make folks more susceptible to off the rails shit.
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I don't really know the classmate well enough to know what else they were going through, but I'm sure you're right that more was going on behind the scenes. Like with may other QAnon-ers, the classmate had friends and family pleading with the them to come back to reality and being met only with hostility (to be clear, this was all stuff we could see happening publicly on FB; who knows what was happening behind the scenes).

I guess nobody ever thinks that they themselves are going to go a little cuckoo, but it's hard for me to imagine how I would ever get to that point on something so facially bizarre. Who knows what would happen if I experienced some sort of traumatic life event, though.
 
rodoheel said:
One would think, but there were a whole lot of nurses pushing all sorts of crazy COVID stuff back in 2020-22. Probably still are.
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I know one anti-vaxxer/Covid denier who was a nurse, lost her job and lost both of her elderly parents in a matter of 2-3 months because she was a conspiracy theorist. I've also known Trumpers/MAGA, in the medical industry, who were pretty much onboard with all levels of MAGA crazy, except the Covid/Vaxx. How that person didn't put 2 & 2 together, to question ALL conspiracy theories, is beyond me.

But, on the old ZZLP, there were otherwise reasonable people who suddenly turned conspiracy theorists in regard to the Trump assassination attempt, so....
 
ZenMode said:
I know one anti-vaxxer/Covid denier who was a nurse, lost her job and lost both of her elderly parents in a matter of 2-3 months because she was a conspiracy theorist. I've also known Trumpers/MAGA, in the medical industry, who were pretty much onboard with all levels of MAGA crazy, except the Covid/Vaxx. How that person didn't put 2 & 2 together, to question ALL conspiracy theories, is beyond me.

But, on the old ZZLP, there were otherwise reasonable people who suddenly turned conspiracy theorists in regard to the Trump assassination attempt, so....
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Ah, there it is. You can't just post without a both sides, can you?

"Trump wasn't hit by a bullet but rather by glass," is not a conspiracy theory in the context of a) other people who were injured by glass; b) an odd glaring absence of any real medical report; c) the improbability of being shot just there; and d) the fact that Trump almost always lies about everything. That's just noting the discrepancy, and suggesting that the event was made up like so much of Trump's other bullshit.

If there were people still talking about how Trump wasn't shot two months later, then maybe you'd have a point. Seeing as how that isn't the case, your post fails, again.
 


Add Eric Adams to the list of disgraced politicians that Trump embraces.
 


“Catholics, you gotta vote for me. You better remember I’m here and she’s not, I coulda done that too …”
 


The people at this thing must be high to yuck it up at this stuff but I guess that is how these things go.



I guess there is a Trump ringer table to try to encourage guffaws. Hard to believe they have plants, Because just saying Barrack HUSSEIN Obama is side-splitting material.
 





But the crowd seems to be running out of patience a bit and liquored-up laughter is ebbing. Maybe they did last call and served strong coffee when Trump started.
 
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