Trump to take over D.C. Law Enforcement

Instead of being in a lather you guys would be foaming at the mouth if the national guard were carrying guns and conducting patrols in brentwood.
I really don't understand why you're projecting this stuff onto us. First of all, I have a problem, period, with American military personnel being deployed on American streets harassing American citizens. Full stop. At one point in time before you surrendered all of your conservative principles, you'd have agreed with that. Doesn't matter who the president is, doesn't matter who the party in power is- American military personnel do not belong on American city streets harassing and detaining American citizens. I'm legitimately saddened that you find that to be disagreeable. I legit thought that was like Day One of Conservative 101 stuff: "Thou shalt not endorse federal government overreach, especially that which involves the American military."

Second of all, are you seriously implying that if the roles were reversed and a Democratic president ordered American military personnel into the trailer parks and hollers of bumfuck America to harass rural conservatives, you'd just happily go along with that kind of federal overreach? No? Well then why the hypocrisy in this case?

Third of all, the fact that they AREN'T going into Brentwood or Anacostia period, and are instead talking selfies with tourists on the National Mall....does that not send up huge red flags to you? You know, if the whole point of this charade is to REDUCE CRIME, why would they not be going into the areas where the ACTUAL VIOLENT CRIMING IS HAPPENING? Is it because, perhaps, it's all theater?
 
You spelled “law enforcement leadership has been fudging data” wrong.
You spelled "no credible evidence of law enforcement leadership fudging data" wrong as well. And it's strange how White House Press Secretary Katherine Leavitt said just this morning on Fox & Friends that the data was accurate. Trumpers can't keep their story straight, it would seem.

 
Looking at a live feed of Union Station. Looking good! No homeless tents, no beggars or trash.
You know homelessness isn't typically that people are just lazy. Yes there's a percentage that are mentally challenged, and a percentage that are addicted and need help, but the fastest growing group is a group that I believe will surprise most.

The fastest-growing population experiencing homelessness in the United States is individuals aged 50 and older. This demographic has seen a significant increase in recent years, with some projections estimating a near tripling of their numbers in major cities by 2030.

Several factors contribute to this trend:
  • Housing Affordability:
    The rising cost of housing, coupled with fixed incomes for many seniors, makes it increasingly difficult for them to afford rent or mortgages.

  • Aging Population:
    As the overall population ages, the number of individuals reaching older adulthood, and potentially facing homelessness, naturally increases.

    • Lack of Support Systems:
      Some older adults may not have family or social support networks to rely on, making them more vulnerable to homelessness when facing financial hardship or health challenges.
    • Health and Functional Decline:
      Older adults are more likely to experience physical and cognitive decline, which can make it harder to maintain housing and employment.
    • Reduced Access to Social Safety Nets:
      Changes to social security and other programs can further impact their ability to afford housing and meet basic needs.
This growing crisis is not only concerning for the individuals affected but also for society as a whole, as it places a strain on resources and highlights the need for improved housing and support services for older adults, according to a report from LeadingAge



Homelessness in the United States has reached a record high, with a 18% increase between 2023 and 2024, according to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). This translates to roughly 770,000 people experiencing homelessness on a single night in January 2024. The increase is particularly notable among families with children, who saw a 39% increase in homelessness, according to HUD (December 2024).

A significant portion of individuals experiencing homelessness are employed, with studies indicating that anywhere from 40% to over 50% hold jobs. This includes both full-time and part-time employment, and even those who are unsheltered may be working. However, their income is often not sufficient to secure stable housing.






It's really sort of sad that you, and others, appear to celebrate not having to look at homeless people, when we as Americans should be ashamed that we have let it get to where it is now. We should all be helping and our government policies should not be designed to demonize and belittle these people, they should be helping them.

We should be working on reducing the cost of housing, instead of wasting millions sending the national guard into cities where it isn't needed.


Have any on this board ever been homeless? Have you had to work through any experience as hard to get out of as being homeless?

It's sad that our country will not create good policy to keep the people who have been building our houses:

The impact of deportations on home building

Deportations have a significant negative impact on the home building industry, primarily by exacerbating an existing labor shortage and driving up construction costs.

Here's how:

  • Labor shortages:
    • The construction industry, particularly home building, relies heavily on immigrant workers, many of whom are undocumented. In some states and trades, immigrant workers represent a substantial portion of the workforce, with over 40% in California and Texas, and over a third in states like Florida, Maryland, Nevada, New Jersey, and New York, according to the National Association of Home Builders.
    • Mass deportations would remove a significant portion of this labor pool, leading to a further reduction in the number of available construction workers.
    • Studies have shown that when immigrant workers are deported, positions often remain unfilled, especially in lower-skilled trades like framing and roofing, which can then hinder the work of higher-skilled tradesmen like electricians and plumbers.
  • Increased construction costs:
    • With fewer workers available, labor costs are likely to rise as companies compete for the remaining workforce.
    • Project delays and extended completion times become more common due to the lack of sufficient labor, increasing overall project costs.
    • These increased costs are eventually passed on to consumers in the form of higher home prices, worsening the existing housing affordability crisis.
  • Worsening housing crisis:
    • The United States already faces a significant housing shortage, with millions of new units needed to meet demand.
    • Mass deportations would reduce the construction labor force, slowing down residential development and further compounding this housing deficit, according to the Urban Institute.

The counter-argument
While some argue that deporting immigrants would alleviate housing costs by reducing demand, most economists and housing experts disagree. They point out that undocumented immigrants are more likely to be renters than homeowners, and the primary driver of rising housing costs is the shortage of housing supply, not demand from immigrants.
In summary, mass deportations are widely expected to exacerbate the current housing crisis by deepening labor shortages in the construction industry and driving up construction costs, ultimately leading to higher home prices and further reduced affordability for many Americans
 
And more on the subject:

Tariffs, or taxes on imported goods, are having a significant impact on both the cost of building and owning homes in the U.S., exacerbating an already challenging housing market marked by high mortgage rates and low inventory
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Here's a breakdown of the ways tariffs are affecting the housing market:

1. Increased construction costs
  • Higher material costs: Tariffs directly increase the price of imported building materials such as lumber, steel, aluminum, gypsum (used for drywall), and even home appliances. For example, Canadian softwood lumber now faces nearly 40% in total duties. The National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) estimated that these tariffs could add approximately $10,900 to the cost of a typical new home.
  • Passed-on costs: Builders are often forced to pass these higher material costs onto homebuyers through increased new home prices.
  • Renovation costs: Homeowners looking to renovate or remodel are also facing higher prices for materials like tile, stone, flooring, fixtures, windows, and cabinetry due to tariffs on imported components.

2. Higher home prices
  • Direct impact: As construction costs rise, the prices of new homes naturally follow suit.
  • Indirect impact: Increased new home prices can also drive up the prices of existing homes as buyers are pushed towards the resale market due to limited affordability in new construction.
  • Reduced inventory: Higher building costs due to tariffs can cause some developers to delay or cancel projects, further shrinking the supply of new homes and contributing to upward pressure on prices.

3. Impact on housing affordability
  • Increased mortgage costs: Tariffs can contribute to inflation, which may encourage the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, making mortgages more expensive. This creates a double squeeze for homebuyers: higher purchase prices and higher borrowing costs.
  • Reduced buying power: The overall increase in the cost of living due to tariffs and inflation can erode consumer savings and make it harder for buyers, especially first-time homebuyers with limited resources, to afford a down payment.
  • Impact on specific markets: The effects of tariffs can vary by region. For instance, urban areas with more high-rise construction may experience different impacts compared to suburban or rural markets that rely more heavily on wood framing.

4. Economic uncertainty and volatility
  • Unpredictable market conditions: Tariffs introduce a high level of uncertainty and volatility into the construction materials market, making it difficult for builders to accurately forecast costs and plan budgets. This volatility can also impact lending, as rising home prices may change debt-to-income ratios and affect borrower qualification.
  • Broader economic implications: Tariffs can also lead to retaliatory measures from other countries, potentially disrupting supply chains and slowing economic growth, according to Griffin Funding. This uncertainty can further erode consumer confidence and reduce demand in the housing market, according to Realtor.com® senior economist Joel Berner.
In essence, tariffs are raising the cost of building materials, which directly leads to higher prices for new homes and renovations. This, combined with potentially higher mortgage rates due to inflation and broader economic uncertainty, makes homeownership less affordable for many Americans and adds complexity to the already challenging housing market
 
Given that the gop is more popular than the dim party what are you guys jerking off to? gay porn? bestiality porn?
Jesus fucking Christ…Some weird shit in your head equates gay porn and “bestiality” porn and then spews it out as some sort of insult. You really don’t understand how fucked up some of the things you’re saying here are, huh?

Whatever it is that you’re struggling with I hope you find some peace. Until then, get fucked. Your toxicity does not belong here. 4chan or stormfront would be more your speed.
 
I really don't understand why you're projecting this stuff onto us. First of all, I have a problem, period, with American military personnel being deployed on American streets harassing American citizens. Full stop. At one point in time before you surrendered all of your conservative principles, you'd have agreed with that. Doesn't matter who the president is, doesn't matter who the party in power is- American military personnel do not belong on American city streets harassing and detaining American citizens. I'm legitimately saddened that you find that to be disagreeable. I legit thought that was like Day One of Conservative 101 stuff: "Thou shalt not endorse federal government overreach, especially that which involves the American military."

Second of all, are you seriously implying that if the roles were reversed and a Democratic president ordered American military personnel into the trailer parks and hollers of bumfuck America to harass rural conservatives, you'd just happily go along with that kind of federal overreach? No? Well then why the hypocrisy in this case?

Third of all, the fact that they AREN'T going into Brentwood or Anacostia period, and are instead talking selfies with tourists on the National Mall....does that not send up huge red flags to you? You know, if the whole point of this charade is to REDUCE CRIME, why would they not be going into the areas where the ACTUAL VIOLENT CRIMING IS HAPPENING? Is it because, perhaps, it's all theater?
Your characterization that they are harassing American citizens contradicts your claim that they are just taking selfies with tourists.

I'm not being hypocritical because I'm not seeing the harassment you keep touting.

They aren't going into those areas because they aren't trained to be in those areas, aren't carrying guns, and instead are designed to be a deterrent, hold potential criminals, and perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime. We aren't talking about Seal Team 6 here but it seems like that is your characterization of them. The National Guard goes into areas hit by natural disasters actually carrying guns to prevent looting and that seems acceptable to you. I'm sorry but you seem to be mischaracterizing the use of the National Guard and I don't grasp that based on what i have seen.
 
So, are people actually proud that they don't have to look at those stupid homeless people? If they would only get a job, right?

I know trump is, since he can't read, his entire world is impacted by his vision.

He sees wind turbines from his golf course, so he hates windmills (He probably doesn't understand the difference).
He sees homeless people in tents, so crime is high and we need to spend millions sending in the military.
He sees someone with a red hat on and knows he's found a sucker, so he tells them that gas is $1.98 a gallon which is a complete lie.



We should be ashamed that our country is like this.

But instead of working to fix anything, trump keeps working to make his friends richer and is actually hurting the housing situation as well as social services that may have helped these people.

No, the system wasn't perfect prior to Jan 20th this year, but it has gotten worse under the idiot in chief.
 
The study mentions "demographics" but doesn't factor race per se into the equation. Blacks commit more murders than latinos who commit more murders than whites. I've never seen a study that specifically mentioned asians but I'd guess that's less than whites. If that is true, I would expect states and cities with the highest concentrations of blacks to have a higher murder rate than a city with a less populous black community. Its also common sense that less accountability equals more crime than higher levels of accountability. Again, not mentioned in that article.
Are you talking on a per capita basis or raw numbers?
 
Jesus fucking Christ…Some weird shit in your head equates gay porn and “bestiality” porn and then spews it out as some sort of insult. You really don’t understand how fucked up some of the things you’re saying here are, huh?

Whatever it is that you’re struggling with I hope you find some peace. Until then, get fucked. Your toxicity does not belong here. 4chan or stormfront would be more your speed.
You really have to have that explained to you. A very small percentage of the overall population is gay. Thus, gay porn isn't likely to be popular to people that aren't gay. Even fewer people would be into bestiality so that wouldn't be popular either. You didn't seem to have any issues with midget porn though so I guess you are cool with that or are you in the midst of typing your rant to lawtig about his disparaging midgets. You are the classic hypocritical pos liberal. Loves throwing shit one way but cries like a bitch dog when its thrown back at you. Grow up and quit going through life looking for every opportunity to be offended.
 
Your characterization that they are harassing American citizens contradicts your claim that they are just taking selfies with tourists.

I'm not being hypocritical because I'm not seeing the harassment you keep touting.

They aren't going into those areas because they aren't trained to be in those areas, aren't carrying guns, and instead are designed to be a deterrent, hold potential criminals, and perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime. We aren't talking about Seal Team 6 here but it seems like that is your characterization of them. The National Guard goes into areas hit by natural disasters actually carrying guns to prevent looting and that seems acceptable to you. I'm sorry but you seem to be mischaracterizing the use of the National Guard and I don't grasp that based on what i have seen.
There are videos on this very thread of them doing both, actually: detaining delivery drivers and UberEats drivers making deliveries, detaining a woman from her vehicle at a checkpoint on 14th Street, and also just posted up taking selfies in front of Union Station. It's not an either/or. They're doing both. They're doing more of the latter, sure, but doing ANY of the former, to me, is a bridge too far. I am bewildered that anyone with any conservative bonafides at all would think that federalizing an American city using military personnel isn't overreach.

Your second paragraph yields valid points, but I'm confused as to what the whole purpose of this entire operation is, if it's not to actually reduce crime? There's no crime reduction happening by posting up on the National Mall. Nobody in Brentwood is criming any less because the National Guard is hanging out outside of the National Archives. So if the point is to reduce crime, then why not go where the crime is happening? And if the point is to perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime, who is actually doing the crime reduction part of the equation?

I truly desire to see the reduction or elimination of violent crime as much as anyone. I just truly do not support the utilization of federal military personnel to do so. I think there are plenty of better ways to do it, but the problem is those don't make for good sound bytes and clips on Fox and social media.
 

From former MAGA/Tea Party member Joe Walsh:

"I’m just so damn pissed off at all the consultants and the Democratic politicians and the Democratic pollsters and all the Democratic talkers and thinkers in the media saying:


All of these Democratic “smart people” are advising Democratic politicians not to fight Trump on crime, to which I say: BULLSHIT. Democrats, fight. Fight Trump on crime like you're learning how to fight him on immigration. Remember? That was another big issue that you weren’t supposed to touch because you didn’t poll real well on the issue of immigration. That was a winning issue for Trump.

Well, guess what? You began to push back on immigration. You began to push back on Trump disappearing people off of our streets…no due process…going into Home Depot parking lots, 7-Eleven parking lots.

And look here: Trump’s numbers on immigration are tanking. You know why, Democrats? Because you finally fucking took that issue on. Do the same thing here with this issue of crime, and Trump putting troops on the streets of D.C. Fight him on this issue!

Fight him on this issue—don’t back down. Don’t listen to the pollsters and the consultants. Most Americans do not want America’s military on the streets. Crime is bad in most American cities.

By the way, Washington, D.C., is the 21st most-violent city in America. Fight back against him with data and crime statistics. Fight back with him. We don’t want the military on our streets. That’s not what we do in America.

My God, Democrats. Fight! Don’t listen to the pollsters and the consultants and back down on another issue where the vast majority of Americans are with you, if you would just stand up and fight. Man, that’s what they wanted you to do with the transgender issue in the 2024 campaign, but you stayed silent.

Immigration and crime: you—we, excuse me—Democrats are a lot closer to where most Americans are than Trump and MAGA is. So fuck the consultants. Fight."
Fuck…I hate agreeing with Joe Walsh. But he’s spot on.
 
There are videos on this very thread of them doing both, actually: detaining delivery drivers and UberEats drivers making deliveries, detaining a woman from her vehicle at a checkpoint on 14th Street, and also just posted up taking selfies in front of Union Station. It's not an either/or. They're doing both. They're doing more of the latter, sure, but doing ANY of the former, to me, is a bridge too far. I am bewildered that anyone with any conservative bonafides at all would think that federalizing an American city using military personnel isn't overreach.

Your second paragraph yields valid points, but I'm confused as to what the whole purpose of this entire operation is, if it's not to actually reduce crime? There's no crime reduction happening by posting up on the National Mall. Nobody in Brentwood is criming any less because the National Guard is hanging out outside of the National Archives. So if the point is to reduce crime, then why not go where the crime is happening? And if the point is to perform menial jobs to free up other resources to focus on reducing crime, who is actually doing the crime reduction part of the equation?

I truly desire to see the reduction or elimination of violent crime as much as anyone. I just truly do not support the utilization of federal military personnel to do so. I think there are plenty of better ways to do it, but the problem is those don't make for good sound bytes and clips on Fox and social media.
"There are no reports of the National Guard harassing people in DC. While the National Guard has been deployed to Washington, D.C. to support law enforcement, their role is primarily logistical and administrative, not to engage in direct law enforcement actions like arrests or harassment, according to CNN. They are assisting with tasks like transportation, communication, and maintaining a visible presence, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Support Role:
    The National Guard's mission is to support local and federal law enforcement agencies in DC.

  • Limited Direct Action:
    National Guard members are not authorized to make arrests or detain individuals, according to CNN.

  • Logistical and Administrative Support:
    Their duties include providing logistical support, transportation, and administrative assistance to law enforcement, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

  • Visible Presence:
    They are also providing a visible presence in the city, including areas like the National Mall and near monuments, according to ABC News.

  • No Weapons, as of Now:
    The National Guard troops have not been authorized to carry weapons, although this could change based on evolving orders.

  • D.C. Mayor's Statement:
    D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has stated that the National Guard will be deployed on federal property, not to make arrests, according to NBC News."
 
Given that the gop is more popular than the dim party what are you guys jerking off to? gay porn? bestiality porn?
What you got against gay porn? The Republican that ran for governor liked some trans porn, didn't he?

I don't believe bestiality porn is legal.
 
"There are no reports of the National Guard harassing people in DC. While the National Guard has been deployed to Washington, D.C. to support law enforcement, their role is primarily logistical and administrative, not to engage in direct law enforcement actions like arrests or harassment, according to CNN. They are assisting with tasks like transportation, communication, and maintaining a visible presence, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Support Role:
    The National Guard's mission is to support local and federal law enforcement agencies in DC.

  • Limited Direct Action:
    National Guard members are not authorized to make arrests or detain individuals, according to CNN.

  • Logistical and Administrative Support:
    Their duties include providing logistical support, transportation, and administrative assistance to law enforcement, according to the U.S. Department of Defense.

  • Visible Presence:
    They are also providing a visible presence in the city, including areas like the National Mall and near monuments, according to ABC News.

  • No Weapons, as of Now:
    The National Guard troops have not been authorized to carry weapons, although this could change based on evolving orders.

  • D.C. Mayor's Statement:
    D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has stated that the National Guard will be deployed on federal property, not to make arrests, according to NBC News."
Appreciate you sharing that. That’s good to have the context. Then who is detaining delivery drivers? I guess it’s ICE maybe? That’s still a distinction without a difference to me. Federal personnel are patrolling the streets of an American city apprehending American citizens for…what purpose? THAT’s the problem I have and what I don’t understand. I promise I’m not trying to be dense or combative- I’m just genuinely trying to understand why anyone of any political persuasion is cool with this.
 
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