Trump to take over D.C. Law Enforcement

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Icky Mettle said:
Having a higher proportion of African-Americans results in more murders?
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Yes. Statistically, African-American males commit murder at a much higher rate than any other demographic in this country. Roughly 7% of the population accounts for nearly half of all homicides.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Yes. Statistically, African-American males commit murder at a much higher rate than any other demographic in this country. Roughly 7% of the population accounts for nearly half of all homicides.
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Could that be related to poverty rates rather than race?

Generally speaking, higher rates of poverty = higher rates of unemployment, violence, drug abuse, lower educational attainment, and a whole bunch of other negative effects.

Given that black folks are historically among the most poverty stricken, it stands to reason that their communities would show a disproportionate impact.
 
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ZZLPHeels said:
I’m not one to defend MAGA but there is something else that most of those states have in common that is likely the reason for their murder rates.
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I'm assuming the "something else" is that they have high black populations. The problem with that stereotype is that there is data showing that it's violence by Southern whites that has led to the South having a higher crime rate than the rest of the nation.

From the conclusion of a study by the Southern Medical Journal: "The overall high homicide rates in the southern United States were attributable to relatively higher NHW (Non-Hispanic Whites) rates than those found in the rest of the country."

Link: Homicide in the South: Higher Rates Among Whites and Fewer Racial Disparities
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Yes. Statistically, African-American males commit murder at a much higher rate than any other demographic in this country. Roughly 7% of the population accounts for nearly half of all homicides.
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So does that mean having a higher percentage of African-Americans in an area will cause a higher murder rate in that area? Or are there possibly other factors at play?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
From the conclusion of a study by the Southern Medical Journal: "The overall high homicide rates in the southern United States were attributable to relatively higher NHW (Non-Hispanic Whites) rates than those found in the rest of the country."

Link: Homicide in the South: Higher Rates Among Whites and Fewer Racial Disparities
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It’s true but in the study link even in the South, where we have significantly more murders by “non-Hispanic whites (NHW)” than the rest of the country, the murder rate for “non-Hispanic blacks and African Americans (NHB)” of 18.7 per 100,000 was still substantially higher than among NHW of 7.6 per 100,000.

Here is one theory about why that gap might be persistent generally for gun homicide, even when adjusting for socioeconomic status (but not specific to the South):

penntoday.upenn.edu

Regardless of socioeconomic status, Black communities face higher gun homicides | Penn Today

In a Wharton study, chair of the Statistics Department Dylan Small says reasons for the disparity include institutional racism, underinvestment in communities, and housing segregation.
penntoday.upenn.edu penntoday.upenn.edu

Another study with a lot of data but parsing it differently to try to determine disproportionate impacts even given different rates of murder and suicide:

Disproportionate burden of violence: Explaining racial and ethnic disparities in potential years of life lost among homicide victims, suicide decedents, and homicide-suicide perpetrators - PMC

Research indicates that the burden of violent death in the United States is disproportionate across racial and ethnic groups. Yet documented disparities in rates of violent death do not capture the full extent of this inequity. Recent studies ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
EyeballKid said:
Could that be related to poverty rates rather than race?

Generally speaking, higher rates of poverty = higher rates of unemployment, violence, drug abuse, lower educational attainment, and a whole bunch of other negative effects.

Given that black folks are historically among the most poverty stricken, it stands to reason that their communities would show a disproportionate impact.
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Nah.

It’s because they’re black.
 
so, MAGA is now on board with raising taxes significantly in order to greatly increase police forces.
Good to know.
 
ChileG said:
so, MAGA is now on board with raising taxes significantly in order to greatly increase police forces.
Good to know.
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Since we're spending more both absolutely and in terms of percentage on law enforcement and getting less from it, it makes sense for the MAGAts to increase hiring and spending. They're renowned for making the same dumbass mistake over and over again. It certainly wouldn't occur to them to consider that a new approach could be better.
 
EyeballKid said:
Could that be related to poverty rates rather than race?

Generally speaking, higher rates of poverty = higher rates of unemployment, violence, drug abuse, lower educational attainment, and a whole bunch of other negative effects.

Given that black folks are historically among the most poverty stricken, it stands to reason that their communities would show a disproportionate impact.
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There are a number of factors at play. But it is disingenuous to blame the GOP for high murder rates that are carried out by a demographic that votes D 90%+ of the time. It would be like saying that Durham has a high crime rate because of Duke.
 
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