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[ZZLPHeels]

I'm assuming the "something else" is that they have high black populations. The problem with that stereotype is that there is data showing that it's violence by Southern whites that has led to the South having a higher crime rate than the rest of the nation.

From the conclusion of a study by the Southern Medical Journal: "The overall high homicide rates in the southern United States were attributable to relatively higher NHW (Non-Hispanic Whites) rates than those found in the rest of the country."

Link: Homicide in the South: Higher Rates Among Whites and Fewer Racial Disparities

Yeah no, that is incorrect per FBI stats. Black men in the south are multiple times more likely to commit homicide than white men. As I stated earlier, 7% of the population (black men) account for nearly 50% of all homicides in the US.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Yeah no, that is incorrect per FBI stats. Black men in the south are multiple times more likely to commit homicide than white men. As I stated earlier, 7% of the population (black men) account for nearly 50% of all homicides in the US.

You're missing the point of the article, which is that one reason why homicide rates are higher in the South isn't due to a higher homicide rate among blacks, which is nationwide, but because Southern whites have higher homicide rates than whites in other regions of the country. As you stated yourself, homicide rates among blacks nationally is about the same, but what you're not discussing is that the homicide rate among Southern whites is higher than the rate for whites in most other parts of the country. Which kind of undermines your point that Southern white MAGAs shouldn't be blamed for why red states have higher homicide rates than other states. Yes, the homicide rate among black men is high, but white Southern MAGAS also have a higher rate than the national average.

 

[ChileG]

High proportion of African-American residents which drives the murder rate up.

How does that differentiate these states from DC?
Point being, MAGA is saying places like DC are overrun by crime due to democratic policies, but the red states have the same issues, but even worse.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

You're missing the point of the article, which is that one reason why homicide rates are higher in the South isn't due to a higher homicide rate among blacks, which is nationwide, but because Southern whites have higher homicide rates than whites in other regions of the country. As you stated yourself, homicide rates among blacks nationally is about the same, but what you're not discussing is that the homicide rate among Southern whites is higher than the rate for whites in most other parts of the country. Which kind of undermines your point that Southern white MAGAs shouldn't be blamed for why red states have higher homicide rates than other states. Yes, the homicide rate among black men is high, but white Southern MAGAS also have a higher rate than the national average.

Yes, but higher than national average is still less than the homicide rate amongst blacks. Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Shreveport, Birmingham, Atlanta, etc are some of the most dangerous cities in the country and that is not because of white magas. If you look up the most dangerous cities and counties in the country the single most common denominator is a high percentage of of African Americans.

 

[superrific]

Remember, y'all. This country fried barrel is the same mook who creams himself thinking about the genocide in Gaza and thinks Derek Chauvin got screwed. He thinks it's peachy keen to empty a magazine blindly into an apartment where there are black people. Of course he thinks black people are criminals.

He also has Zen's math skills. Zen has better logic.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Yes, but higher than national average is still less than the homicide rate amongst blacks. Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Shreveport, Birmingham, Atlanta, etc are some of the most dangerous cities in the country and that is not because of white magas. If you look up the most dangerous cities and counties in the country the single most common denominator is a high percentage of of African Americans.

But as the study showed rural white areas also have higher homicide rates than the national average, and that also drives up the homicide rate in the red states that are listed. Your original point was that (white) MAGAs can't be blamed for the high homicide rates in those states, and that study shows that isn't the case. If they have a higher homicide rate that also influences the data as well, no?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

But as the study showed rural white areas also have higher homicide rates than the national average, and that also drives up the homicide rate in the red states that are listed. Your original point was that (white) MAGAs can't be blamed for the high homicide rates in those states, and that study shows that isn't the case. If they have a higher homicide rate that also influences the data as well, no?

They contribute, but they are not the driving contribution.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

They contribute, but they are not the driving contribution.

So then MAGAs are not, as you originally said, exempt from sharing some of the blame for the problem. Thanks for confirming my original point.

 

[Healing]

If zzlp is going to ignore the research on socioeconomic factors that lead to more violence in communities, I suppose I can’t expect honesty in how he empirically supports his positions. So, just to be clear, 69% of black men 45 and under - ie the people he’s passive aggressively demonizing- voted for Harris, not the 90% zzlp claims. In fact, 85% of the entire black vote went to Harris, not 90%.

Young Black and Latino men say they chose Trump because of the economy and jobs. Here's how and why

Black and Latino voters moved toward Republican Donald Trump in this year's presidential election, and some of the biggest shifts were among men under age 45, and that helped expand his margin over Democrat Kamala Harris.

apnews.com

 

[superrific]

There are a number of factors at play. But it is disingenuous to blame the GOP for high murder rates that are carried out by a demographic that votes D 90%+ of the time. It would be like saying that Durham has a high crime rate because of Duke.

You have no clue about crime or about statistics, do you? What determines whether a population has a high crime rate ain't whether they vote for Dems. It's the policies.

The reason that the black cities in the south have higher crime rates is because the policies in those cities are established at the state level (as they are everywhere). And the red states don't give a fuck about those black cities, and are happy to see the crime be high so long as it doesn't leech out into the white areas. In fact, they like high crime rates in black cities. And this strategy works because they keep such high levels of residential segregation.

I spent a lot of time in St. Louis and I know what I'm fucking talking about.

Oh, and Durham does have a high crime rate in part because of Duke. Not because of Duke students, but because of what the institution of Duke University does to the black community there, and what is has historically done.

 

[superrific]

Yes. Statistically, African-American males commit murder at a much higher rate than any other demographic in this country. Roughly 7% of the population accounts for nearly half of all homicides.

Here we go. Idiots who do not understand statistics AT ALL but think they are fucking geniuses because they half understood some article they read years ago. It really shouldn't have to be said that correlation isn't causation but some of our posters don't really operate at normal adult levels of mental functioning.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Yes.

Really? There is actual causation based solely on race? I’m curious then why New Jersey, which has a fairly sizable African-American population, also has a relatively low murder rate compared to most states. And Alaska, which has one of the smaller AA populations, has one of the higher murder rates among all states (ditto for New Mexico). Also, why is it that those southern states with higher murder rates also have higher murder rates among their white populations compared to other states? Obviously that’s a statistic that contributes to their higher murder rates, but what contributed to that statistic?

And were you suggesting earlier that having substantial AA populations provides a bit of an excuse for those southern states having comparatively high murder rates (maybe you weren’t suggesting that)? If that’s the case then why wasn’t Washington, DC afforded such consideration? And is there an excuse for the higher murder rates within the white populations (relative to other states) of those states?

 

[superrific]

In particular, in Shreveport and New Orleans, there are serious issues with lead poisoning. Basically Louisiana never gave a shit about lead exposure and even after they were forced to by the EPA, they did a shitty job of remediation (if they even did any at all). So lead levels in the soil are high; lead levels in the cities' housing stock are high; and black children have historically had way more exposure to lead.

And lead exposure causes crime.

 

[heelinhell]

Sorting Out the Facts on 'Waste and Abuse' at USAID - FactCheck.org

As President Donald Trump's administration targets the U.S. Agency for International Development for closure or major downsizing, the White House and social media posts have highlighted four projects as examples of the agency's "waste and abuse." But only one was funded by USAID.

www.factcheck.org

Also looks like the State Department was in on this bullshit 2…

Thanks for the link, but I don't see any mention of surgeries for transgenders in India. I do see that factcheck refers to the USAID budget as less than 1% of our overall budget .

I believe that is a small investment in the exercise of geopolitical soft power. China understands the "power" of soft power. Trump and his MAGAs, being ignorant when it comes to geopolitics, do not.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

So then MAGAs are not, as you originally said, exempt from sharing some of the blame for the problem. Thanks for confirming my original point.

Except the original point was hyper-focused on blaming the MAGAS for the high crime rate when the data has shown that this is a dishonest allegation.

 

[wmheel1287]

Except the original point was hyper-focused on blaming the MAGAS for the high crime rate when the data has shown that this is a dishonest allegation.

It's also a dishonest allegation to blame high murder rates on being a Black person or there being a high prevalence of Black people in a community. Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

People dont get addicted to meth because they are white even though the vast majority who are addicted to meth are indeed white.

 

[Healing]

News at 11: Man with strong opinions about brown people, across the globe, revealed to have strong opinions about black people. We’ll head to Sherri’s Diner in Newton to get the real story, from real Americans.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Really? There is actual causation based solely on race? I’m curious then why New Jersey, which has a fairly sizable African-American population, also has a relatively low murder rate compared to most states. And Alaska, which has one of the smaller AA populations, has one of the higher murder rates among all states (ditto for New Mexico). Also, why is it that those southern states with higher murder rates also have higher murder rates among their white populations compared to other states? Obviously that’s a statistic that contributes to their higher murder rates, but what contributed to that statistic?

And were you suggesting earlier that having substantial AA populations provides a bit of an excuse for those southern states having comparatively high murder rates (maybe you weren’t suggesting that)? If that’s the case then why wasn’t Washington, DC afforded such consideration? And is there an excuse for the higher murder rates within the white populations (relative to other states) of those states?

Let's take a look at the data. We'll start with counties, since listing most dangerous cities alone would be unfair to rural areas. The most recent data I was able to find on a county level was from 2017, but here are the top 10 most dangerous counties in the U.S. by homicide rate per capita, along with their racial demographics and their voting behavior in the 2024 Presidential Election.

1. Orleans Parish, Louisiana. 53% black, 31% white. Harris 82%, Trump 15%.
2. Coahoma County, Mississippi. 75% black, 20% white. Harris 72%, Trump 27%.
3. Phillips County, Arkansas. 62% black, 33% white. Harris 56%, Trump 43%.
4. St Louis City, Missouri. 42% black, 42% white. Harris 81%, Trump 16%.
5. Baltimore City, Maryland. 57% black, 28% white. Harris 84%, Trump 12%.
6. Petersburg City, Virginia. 73% black, 15% white. Harris 85%, Trump 13%.
7. Macon County, Alabama. 79% black, 16% white. Harris 78%, Trump 21%.
8. District of Columbia. 41% black, 39% white. Harris 92%, Trump 6%.
9. Washington County, Mississippi. 71% black, 25% white. Harris 64%, Trump 34%.
10. Dallas County, Alabama. 70% black, 27% white. Harris 66%, Trump 33%.

Now, if you go to the city level to look at the same statistics, you will see a very similar finding.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

It's also a dishonest allegation to blame high murder rates on being a Black person or there being a high prevalence of Black people in a community. Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

People dont get addicted to meth because they are white even though the vast majority who are addicted to meth are indeed white.

You can look at the data I presented above and come up with your own conclusion. I didn't see any MAGA counties when crunching those numbers. Quite the opposite, really. We need to be honest with ourselves and with other people. Blaming Republicans for the high murder rates in solidly Blue cities and counties is very similar to a MAGA posting a 2024 countywide election results map and saying "Trump won 90% of America." Once you actually get a millimeter beneath the surface of the argument it collapses.

I'll put it another way. Let's take "murder" out of the equation. If there was a virus that was killing black people at a much higher rate than white people, it would be ridiculous to simply ignore those numbers and say "yeah but what about the white people." Ignoring the problem because it is uncomfortable to talk about results in nothing being done to help the people that are victimized by this problem.

 

[wmheel1287]

You can look at the data I presented above and come up with your own conclusion. I didn't see any MAGA counties when crunching those numbers. Quite the opposite, really. We need to be honest with ourselves and with other people. Blaming Republicans for the high murder rates in solidly Blue cities and counties is very similar to a MAGA posting a 2024 countywide election results map and saying "Trump won 90% of America." Once you actually get a millimeter beneath the surface of the argument it collapses.

See the word "also"? I didn't blame MAGA for anything. I said you were ALSO engaging in nonsense by blaming a murder rate on a skin color. Correlation is NOT causation. Those stats show the former, not the latter.