Trump wears blue suit to black coat event.

Ramrouser said:
Wow, if all that is true you would think that the wise and all knowing Democratic Party would have a higher approval rating than 25%. It doesn’t seem like many folks want to return them to power. Wonder why?
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In another month at this pace, Trump will be below that number.
 
lawtig02 said:
I think this may be my favorite bad faith deflection of the Trump 2.0 era. Look, I don’t really care what anybody wore to this funeral. Seems like it would have been polite to adhere to the Vatican’s requested dress code, but in the big scheme of things, it doesn’t matter. But MAGAs are so unwilling to criticize Trump for looking like Uncle Sam while sitting on the front row of the funeral for the head of the Catholic church that they’re instead critiquing a man whose capital city is getting pounded by Russian missiles every single night. And that man, unlike Trump, actually wore black!

God, this has become so pathetic, MAGAs. I knew you had abandoned all sense of shame when you voted for this clown, but is there really no end to your shamelessness? Do you have no pride anymore?
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Agreed (about not caring what anyone wore to the funeral). But Trump and his toadies were the ones who threw tantrums at Zelenskyy for not wearing appropriate attire (as requested!) at the White House.
What goes around comes around.
 
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superrific said:
Just wait until the next election, hoss. The Dems approval rating is low because Trump has spent the last 10 years promising that everything will be wonderful because of him.

When in fact people see the extent of the damage he caused, and how little he has to show for it, they will wake up. Like they did in 08.

Out of curiosity, to you, what's been the best Trump policy? The trade war? The illegal targeted attacks? Defiance of court orders? Gutting our public health authorities and capabilities? Elon installing software on government computers, stealing data, rummaging around everyone's information and firing essential workers? Maybe it's the confusion, you know -- like when the Justice Dept lawyers show up to court, they literally have no idea who is running which agency and who is making the decisions? Or maybe it's that we have a semi-functional national defense because the Pentagon is in disarray?

Or maybe you're more of a targeted oppressor guy? Attacks on law firms, universities. Wiping out science research? Chasing away scientists? Banning books, maybe? Is that your style?

Or maybe you're fond of pissing off the whole world so they are boycotting our tourism business and boycotting the goods exported by US companies? Ah, but Russia will buy our stuff, with what little they have. Is that what has been getting you excited? Stiffing it to Ukraine?

Perhaps you're more of an infectious disease guy. Pretty cool that we eliminated measles and now it's back, huh? Oh, and what do we need agricultural inspectors for anyway? Or food safety inspectors? Natural exposure is the best way to build immunity, so imagine how healthy we'll be after we all get salmonella and only a few percent of us die? And the air pollution waivers? Nothing says Make America Healthy Again like trying to make food dyes illegal while giving carte blanche to pump arsenic and mercury into the air and water.

Help me out here. What good has Trump done? Because that's a pretty long list of disasters and it's not exhaustive and it's still staggeringly long for any president really. And unlike those Biden memes where you guys would take one complaint and try to make ten bullet points out of it, my criticisms are all distinct and non-overlapping. So I'm trying to see what a positive approval of Trump looks like.
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Border. Dems still have to answer as to why the let 15 M people walk into this country. It’s now completely shut down with no new legislation
DOGE. Sure it’s a bit messy but it was sorely needed to cull the fat and waste.
DEI. Removal of this toxic policy from all of government and the military.
Energy. Drill baby drill. You’ll continue to see energy prices fall as production increases.
 
Ramrouser said:
Border. Dems still have to answer as to why the let 15 M people walk into this country. It’s now completely shut down with no new legislation
DOGE. Sure it’s a bit messy but it was sorely needed to cull the fat and waste.
DEI. Removal of this toxic policy from all of government and the military.
Energy. Drill baby drill. You’ll continue to see energy prices fall as production increases.
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Among the silly things you float on here, the idea that US energy production and energy pricing run in opposite directions might be my favorite. Energy prices are indeed falling...which will absolutely crush US energy production. The savior of US energy production is high worldwide prices. The opposite is also true.
 
Ramrouser said:
Border. Dems still have to answer as to why the let 15 M people walk into this country. It’s now completely shut down with no new legislation
DOGE. Sure it’s a bit messy but it was sorely needed to cull the fat and waste.
DEI. Removal of this toxic policy from all of government and the military.
Energy. Drill baby drill. You’ll continue to see energy prices fall as production increases.
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1. So when it all comes down to dust, it's all about identity in the end for you. I'm going to assume that "energy" is just a distracting throw-in here, as surely you're aware that no drill baby drill policy would have any effect on production for half a decade or more.

Just as we said last year, you MAGAs don't actually care about the economy, defense, standing in the world, inflation, government debt, or any of the other stuff you claim to care about. If you cared about that stuff, you'd recognize these 100 days for what they are: one of the most stunningly, stupidly self-destructive periods of policy making in the history of democracy. But you're willing to overlook that as long as he's going after the minorities. DEI and the border.

2. Never mind that he hasn't actually changed the border policies at all. He's still using the same policy that Biden unveiled last summer, which as we've already established was about the earliest a post-pandemic border policy could have been lawfully crafted. The reason for the decline is that nobody wants to come to the US any more. It's like throwing a pool party, and when uninvited guests show up, your solution is to blow up the pool and irradiate the land. You won't be getting uninvited guests any more, that is true.

3. Oh, DEI is still around. You need only compare Pete Hegseth to Lloyd Austin to see it. It's just white guy DEI now.
 
Also, the general consensus on DOGE, as far as I can tell, was that it was anywhere between a total failure (optimistic view) and Cybertruck. It certainly didn't save money; didn't make anything more efficient (erasing things is the opposite of making them more efficient); and its effects on communities have been devastating.

Suppose you have a machine. It produces widgets at the rate of 5 an hour. If you carefully retool the machine, you could maybe make it more efficient, either by producing more than 5 an hour, or producing the same 5 an hour at lower cost. On the other hand, if you trash the machine, you're left with nothing. That's what DOGE has done. Congrats.
 
superrific said:
Also, the general consensus on DOGE, as far as I can tell, was that it was anywhere between a total failure (optimistic view) and Cybertruck. It certainly didn't save money; didn't make anything more efficient (erasing things is the opposite of making them more efficient); and its effects on communities have been devastating.

Suppose you have a machine. It produces widgets at the rate of 5 an hour. If you carefully retool the machine, you could maybe make it more efficient, either by producing more than 5 an hour, or producing the same 5 an hour at lower cost. On the other hand, if you trash the machine, you're left with nothing. That's what DOGE has done. Congrats.
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The only rational thing that I can make sense is that the people that think the government is wasteful must run or work in businesses that are also wasteful, and assume that there’s a lot of places to “cut fat”. And surely that happens with government/military contractors, but why that means that we should cut educational spending seems like quite a leap.
 
DantesHair said:
The only rational thing that I can make sense is that the people that think the government is wasteful must run or work in businesses that are also wasteful, and assume that there’s a lot of places to “cut fat”.
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There's probably some of that, but I think it's more that the "government waste" crowd associates government with minorities. So almost by definition, most of what the federal government does is wasteful.

Think about it: the Reagan anti-government nonsense bubbled up in the late 70s and early 80s. Stuff like "the most dangerous nine words in the English language: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Funny how they didn't really apply it to state governments. That's because state governments weren't forcing integration. So to a lot of southerners in particular, the biggest impact of the the federal government was to make them share water fountains with the coloreds. And hence the idea that it did nothing useful. If you think Jim Crow is the model for a just society, then actually the anti-federal bullshit makes sense.

And that's what you have to remember when you hear people like HY say things like, "I support Dems at a state level, but not at a federal level." He probably inherited that position from his parents and/or grandparents, because they taught him a very distorted view of what the federal government does. He's one of the people who supports work programs for Medicaid because he views Medicaid as a welfare queen program, and he's just convinced that there are all these lazy, greedy black people who have been ripping him off for a decade.

The overlap between people who get really pissed off at the mere mention of DEI and the people who hate the federal government is very high.
 
superrific said:
1. So when it all comes down to dust, it's all about identity in the end for you. I'm going to assume that "energy" is just a distracting throw-in here, as surely you're aware that no drill baby drill policy would have any effect on production for half a decade or more.

Just as we said last year, you MAGAs don't actually care about the economy, defense, standing in the world, inflation, government debt, or any of the other stuff you claim to care about. If you cared about that stuff, you'd recognize these 100 days for what they are: one of the most stunningly, stupidly self-destructive periods of policy making in the history of democracy. But you're willing to overlook that as long as he's going after the minorities. DEI and the border.

2. Never mind that he hasn't actually changed the border policies at all. He's still using the same policy that Biden unveiled last summer, which as we've already established was about the earliest a post-pandemic border policy could have been lawfully crafted. The reason for the decline is that nobody wants to come to the US any more. It's like throwing a pool party, and when uninvited guests show up, your solution is to blow up the pool and irradiate the land. You won't be getting uninvited guests any more, that is true.

3. Oh, DEI is still around. You need only compare Pete Hegseth to Lloyd Austin to see it. It's just white guy DEI now.
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Think it's about time we update the James Carville catchphrase of "its the economy stupid" to "it's the brown people stupid."

These first 100 days have basically exposed MAGA as the single issue voting block that I have always known they were. And that is - They hate brown people, trans people and anyone else that doesn't conform to their ideal of societal norms more than anything else. Yeah, they'll crow about tax cuts but that would take a backseat to removing all the illegal aliens and making sure trans and LGBTQ people suffer.
 
milom98 said:
Think it's about time we update the James Carville catchphrase of "its the economy stupid" to "it's the brown people stupid."
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I don't think we need to update so much as recognize that the parties might have different ", stupid" principles.

I keep coming back to the idea of drained pool politics. I think that's what we are seeing in America. On one hand, there are Dems who are saying, "sure, the pool has gotten a bit crowded; let's expand it and make it better." The Pubs position is more like, "I'd rather destroy the pool than improve it, which would attract more undesirables. Let's all build pools in our backyards instead."
 
DantesHair said:
The only rational thing that I can make sense is that the people that think the government is wasteful must run or work in businesses that are also wasteful, and assume that there’s a lot of places to “cut fat”. And surely that happens with government/military contractors, but why that means that we should cut educational spending seems like quite a leap.
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No it doesn't always happen with govt/military contracts.
 
superrific said:
I don't think we need to update so much as recognize that the parties might have different ", stupid" principles.

I keep coming back to the idea of drained pool politics. I think that's what we are seeing in America. On one hand, there are Dems who are saying, "sure, the pool has gotten a bit crowded; let's expand it and make it better." The Pubs position is more like, "I'd rather destroy the pool than improve it, which would attract more undesirables. Let's all build pools in our backyards instead."
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The Thanos syndrome except they want to choose who survives. At least Thanos wasn't discriminatory.
 
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