Trump's Anniversary Assassination Attempt

Ramrouser said:
I have no recollection of my defending violence by right wingers because I don’t. Who in their right mind supports innocent people being killed or injured by any type of political violence?
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You do. Jan 6 was without question political violence that killed and/or injured people, and your guy pardoned ALL THOSE INVOLVED and you have been effusive in your praise for him. That is unmistakably support and defense of violence by right-wingers.

There are people who have died because of the SS tactics of ICE and you love that. That's political violence.

You support concentration camps like "Alligator Alcatraz." You support deportations, torture and extraordinary renditions without due process. That is political violence.

Nobody on this board is as much in favor of political violence as you. It's not even close. Yes, I have made some intimations as to that effect because of the special circumstances that makes justice impossible otherwise, but you support a reign of terror.
 
Duke Mu said:
Not to oversimplify, but why not on this day? Left wing violence and domestic terrorism was more prevalent in the 1960s and 1960s. From the 1990s - today right wing violence/terrorism became predominant.
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Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney might disagree that left-wing violence was more common than right-wing violence in the ‘60’s.

Also, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Emmitt Till, the four young girls at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church murdered by the Klan, Medgar Evers, John Lewis, the Freedom Riders, and hundreds/thousands lynched in the ‘50’ and ‘60’s likely disagree as well.

Was left-wing violence more prevalent in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s than the ‘80’s through today? Yes. Was it more prevalent than right-wing violence in the ‘50’s thru ‘70’s? No.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
10/10 on the last couple pages, fellas. Highly entertaining. Would read again.
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There will never, ever be a more hilarious moment on this board than having someone 1. “what about” Mao Zedong in a discussion of American political violence and then 2. think that Adolf Hitler was a freaking left winger because the word Socialist was in the Nazi party’s official name. I mean, it truly does not get better than that. That was…..erotic.
 
Zoo_View said:
Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney might disagree that left-wing violence was more common than right-wing violence in the ‘60’s.

Also, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Emmitt Till, the four young girls at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church murdered by the Klan, Medgar Evers, John Lewis, the Freedom Riders, and hundreds/thousands lynched in the ‘50’ and ‘60’s likely disagree as well.

Was left-wing violence more prevalent in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s than the ‘80’s through today? Yes. Was it more prevalent than right-wing violence in the ‘50’s thru ‘70’s? No.
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There were not hundreds/thousands of lynchings in the 50's/60's. Likely less than 50... Unless you meant the 1850s and 1860s.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
There were not hundreds/thousands of lynchings in the 50's/60's. Likely less than 50... Unless you meant the 1850s and 1860s.
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There were definitely more than 50. Not all of them were documented, of course. There were also, according to Google:

Additionally, there were dozens of attempted murders, over 1,000 arrests, 80+ beatings, 30+ black churches bombed or burned, and many homes destroyed.
 
Zoo_View said:
Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney might disagree that left-wing violence was more common than right-wing violence in the ‘60’s.

Also, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Emmitt Till, the four young girls at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church murdered by the Klan, Medgar Evers, John Lewis, the Freedom Riders, and hundreds/thousands lynched in the ‘50’ and ‘60’s likely disagree as well.

Was left-wing violence more prevalent in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s than the ‘80’s through today? Yes. Was it more prevalent than right-wing violence in the ‘50’s thru ‘70’s? No.
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Yes on A. The racists in the 50s and 60s initially were Democrats. They didn't become socially "conservative" and Republicans until Nixon's Southern Strategy fed them "family values" messaging. Once social conservatism seeped into their mediasphere the metamorphosis was complete, hiding behind "soft" racism and bigotry.

Hippies, violence in the streets, burning of cities, AK-47 carrying Black Panthers, Manso family types, radicals and revolutionaries of many stripes. Every damn week in the 70s some 1%'er leftist crackpot on the west coast was up on a roof with a rifle and/or dynamite.

Post Reagan pitchfork right-leaning activists (anti-brown, gay, secular), militia nuts, and eventually mass shooting whack jobs have been typically white and far-right.

Sirhan Sirhan is a Palestinian/Jordanian (really the same). RFK Sr. supported Israel. That makes Sirhan Sirhan a foreign element - not from the American left or right.

FWIW, far, far left governments = far, far right governments in practice. Communists and fascists racked up at least 130M deaths in the 20th Century. Invariably, a handful control the power. Power corrupts and leads to tyranny and violence. This is a grave part of the danger with Trump's attempted unitary executive branch take over, with his accomplices in the GOP Congress and SCrOTUS.
 
Duke Mu said:
Yes on A. The racists in the 50s and 60s initially were Democrats. They didn't become socially "conservative" and Republicans until Nixon's Southern Strategy fed them "family values" messaging. Once social conservatism seeped into their mediasphere the metamorphosis was complete, hiding behind "soft" racism and bigotry.

Hippies, violence in the streets, burning of cities, AK-47 carrying Black Panthers, Manso family types, radicals and revolutionaries of many stripes. Every damn week in the 70s some 1%'er leftist crackpot on the west coast was up on a roof with a rifle and/or dynamite.

Post Reagan pitchfork right-leaning activists (anti-brown, gay, secular), militia nuts, and eventually mass shooting whack jobs have been typically white and far-right.

Sirhan Sirhan is a Palestinian/Jordanian (really the same). RFK Sr. supported Israel. That makes Sirhan Sirhan a foreign element - not from the American left or right.

FWIW, far, far left governments = far, far right governments in practice. Communists and fascists racked up at least 130M deaths in the 20th Century. Invariably, a handful control the power. Power corrupts and leads to tyranny and violence. This is a grave part of the danger with Trump's attempted unitary executive branch take over, with his accomplices in the GOP Congress and SCrOTUS.
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I’ll concede on Sirhan Sirhan and Bobby Kennedy. I was wrong about that.

You don’t really have a clue about Ku Klux Klan “conservatism,” do you? It was racially, religiously, and socially “conservative” long before Nixon’s “Southern Strategy.

Do you have a link to “every damn week in the 70’s some damn 1%’er leftist crackpot on the West Coast was up on a roof with a rifle and/or dynamite?”

There’s the Klan attack on school buses in Pontiac, MI in the early ‘70’s (several buses blown up with dynamite), the murder of Henry Marrow in Oxford, NC in 1970 after racists claimed Marrow had “flirted” with a white woman, the Klan/Nazi massacre in Greensboro in 1979…….Marines at Camp Pendleton who were in the Klan abusing black Marines…….the Wilmington 10……..

How many people did those 1%ER’s kill or injure?
 
Zoo_View said:
I’ll concede on Sirhan Sirhan and Bobby Kennedy. I was wrong about that.

You don’t really have a clue about Ku Klux Klan “conservatism,” do you? It was racially, religiously, and socially “conservative” long before Nixon’s “Southern Strategy.

Do you have a link to “every damn week in the 70’s some damn 1%’er leftist crackpot on the West Coast was up on a roof with a rifle and/or dynamite?”

There’s the Klan attack on school buses in Pontiac, MI in the early ‘70’s (several buses blown up with dynamite), the murder of Henry Marrow in Oxford, NC in 1970 after racists claimed Marrow had “flirted” with a white woman, the Klan/Nazi massacre in Greensboro in 1979…….Marines at Camp Pendleton who were in the Klan abusing black Marines…….the Wilmington 10……..

How many people did those 1%ER’s kill or injure?
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Growing up in the south when black kids were finally allowed to play in Little League. Schools were beginning integration, Racism abounded across political and religious boundaries - I saw it in "conservatives." I saw it in "liberals." Racism is racism, not a political ideology.
 
Nixon's policies today would include a significant amount of fiscal liberalism and environmental protection. He was also racist, paranoid, and power hungry. Gotta give him props on China and detente, which mitigated the risk of China and Russia joining forces against the US.
 
finesse said:
How about neither. There are no stats from before 1882. Tuskegee started keeping them at that point. Through the 60s, the total was under 500O. Research is cool.
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Research is cool. Much cooler than people making up random numbers. From 1950 through 1969, the total confirmed lynchings was 15. There may have been a few more, but to get from 15 to hundreds/thousands, which was the original claim almost certainly made without research, is a heck of a stretch.

From 1865-1869 the numbers are much harder to confirm because of poor record keeping but historians estimate about 500 lynchings.
 
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