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It's an old show but I keep seeing people saying that The Expanse is really good and better than BSG.

I watched 5 or 6 episodes a couple of years ago but tried to pick it back up. I just don't get why so many people like it. I find the acting to be mediocre.

Does it get better?
I enjoyed it for a number of reasons. The first season is largely sci-fi detective noir but the storyline shifts to one that’s more socio-political in nature. I liked the perspective of “inners” and “belters” and how those conflicts mirror so many throughout history. I think those plot threads were enjoyable independent of the sci-fi angle. I also found it to be the most credible depiction of space travel and combat of any series or movie I’ve seen. No warp speed. No unlimited fuel. No magic gravity. No force fields. No laser weapons. No pretense that the vacuum of space isn’t an issue when your ship gets a 4 inch hole punched through it.
As for the acting… Thomas Jane was a weak spot for sure, and he featured prominently in S1, but later seasons have Jared Harris, David Strathairn, Chad Coleman, Shoreh Agdashloo who are all very good. Wes Chatham comes across as wooden at first but that’s the character and he made it work well later on.
 
It's an old show but I keep seeing people saying that The Expanse is really good and better than BSG.

I watched 5 or 6 episodes a couple of years ago but tried to pick it back up. I just don't get why so many people like it. I find the acting to be mediocre.

Does it get better?
I really liked the Expanse until they went through the gate.
 
I enjoyed it for a number of reasons. The first season is largely sci-fi detective noir but the storyline shifts to one that’s more socio-political in nature. I liked the perspective of “inners” and “belters” and how those conflicts mirror so many throughout history. I think those plot threads were enjoyable independent of the sci-fi angle. I also found it to be the most credible depiction of space travel and combat of any series or movie I’ve seen. No warp speed. No unlimited fuel. No magic gravity. No force fields. No laser weapons. No pretense that the vacuum of space isn’t an issue when your ship gets a 4 inch hole punched through it.
As for the acting… Thomas Jane was a weak spot for sure, and he featured prominently in S1, but later seasons have Jared Harris, David Strathairn, Chad Coleman, Shoreh Agdashloo who are all very good. Wes Chatham comes across as wooden at first but that’s the character and he made it work well later on.
I found Shohreh Aghdashloo to be weak. I know it is a language issue but from my perspective she seemed to struggle to get through her lines.

Given, that could be the intent as her character isn't speaking her native tongue but it just seemed like pulling teeth to me.
 
This isn't a series and might fit better on some sports thread, but I just happened upon a sports recap show hosted by Kevin Hart and Kenan Thompson called Good Sports on Amazon Prime. Not sure if it's gonna make it and I don't think those guys have a real good feel for that either, but they seem like they're having a good time and so far it's been like a semi-improv version of a good SNL skit while also "reporting" on current sporting events. Don't know who came up with this bright idea or (again) if it's going to work out, but so far so good (I've been watching for like 15 minutes)..
 
I just finished a rewatch of Succession. Incredible show. I’m starting a rewatch of Shogun. I am also interspersing episodes from season two of Andor, which I haven’t seen, and season two of Severance, which I haven’t seen.

I am uhhh all over the map for some reason.
 
I was bummed to learn that FX cancelledThe Old Man. For an action spy thriller series, I thought it had a very unique style/look and feel and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Plus, it was great to see Gbenga Akinnagbe (Chris Partlow from The Wire) as the badass but moral contract killer/helper.
 
I just finished a rewatch of Succession. Incredible show. I’m starting a rewatch of Shogun. I am also interspersing episodes from season two of Andor, which I haven’t seen, and season two of Severance, which I haven’t seen.

I am uhhh all over the map for some reason.
I watched Season 1 of Succession and wouldn’t watch any more. I hated every character in that show and didn’t give a single fuck what happened to any of them.
 
I found Shohreh Aghdashloo to be weak. I know it is a language issue but from my perspective she seemed to struggle to get through her lines.

Given, that could be the intent as her character isn't speaking her native tongue but it just seemed like pulling teeth to me.
I think she's good. Plotwise, it's hard to believe that she doesn't speak English fluently so far in the future, but the basic characterization is tough and I think she played the role with an appropriate panache.
 
I also found it to be the most credible depiction of space travel and combat of any series or movie I’ve seen. No warp speed. No unlimited fuel. No magic gravity. No force fields. No laser weapons. No pretense that the vacuum of space isn’t an issue when your ship gets a 4 inch hole punched through it.
As for the acting… Thomas Jane was a weak spot for sure, and he featured prominently in S1, but later seasons have Jared Harris, David Strathairn, Chad Coleman, Shoreh Agdashloo who are all very good. Wes Chatham comes across as wooden at first but that’s the character and he made it work well later on.
Well, kind of. They do have tactical nukes which seems a bit excessive. They don't have warp speed but they do have an Epstein drive which apparently can go all the way to the speed of light. And the idea that someone can tinker their way into light speed is preposterous. Also, there's no account of relativity at all. If people are zipping around at near light speeds, they shouldn't age.

Part of the problem with realistic space travel is the downtime. It would be fucking boring as hell to be on a ship flying from Earth to Jupiter. So one way of getting over that problem is warp speed. The Falcon travels to Alderon. Perfect amount of time -- enough for them to chill in the lounge and play a game, not so much that they would be banging their heads against walls. Another way is not to have warp speed but just skip over the problem.
 
I watched Season 1 of Succession and wouldn’t watch any more. I hated every character in that show and didn’t give a single fuck what happened to any of them.
My wife and I only made it a couple of episodes. Felt like we were watching something to avoid Trumpism by watching a fictional version of various Trumps. We just couldn't do it.
 
I watched Season 1 of Succession and wouldn’t watch any more. I hated every character in that show and didn’t give a single fuck what happened to any of them.
This kind of experience is pretty common, and I nearly bailed a couple times during season 1 for the exact same reason. I stuck with it for the quality of the show, and because friends encouraged me to grind it out, and it paid off highly. I’ve seen the series twice all the way through now, and will revisit it.

You’ll never grow to admire or like many (if any) of the characters, but you do start to understand and sympathize with them, and especially pity them as people who have everything and nothing at the same time. Once you get used to their low bar as human beings, you click into the rhythm and psychology of it. Far more compelling than at first look; and highest quality writing, acting, stylization throughout.
 
I don't believe I completed season 1.
It's true there are no good guys , no likable characters, nobody to root for, but that's part of what makes it so good.

There a lot of symbolism and irony in this series but it really is unique and compelling once you get into the rhythm of it.
 
Re-watching NCIS and the Mentalist

After that I plan to re-watch Leverage, Lie To Me, and Fringe

The good thing about getting old is now all of these shows are new to me...

Every thing old is new again:giggle:
 
This kind of experience is pretty common, and I nearly bailed a couple times during season 1 for the exact same reason. I stuck with it for the quality of the show, and because friends encouraged me to grind it out, and it paid off highly. I’ve seen the series twice all the way through now, and will revisit it.

You’ll never grow to admire or like many (if any) of the characters, but you do start to understand and sympathize with them, and especially pity them as people who have everything and nothing at the same time. Once you get used to their low bar as human beings, you click into the rhythm and psychology of it. Far more compelling than at first look; and highest quality writing, acting, stylization throughout.
Actually, you do like cousin Greg, who is the Jesse (Breaking Bad) of the show, and represents us--is a kind of stand-in for us--if we were cast into this Ninth Circle of Hell of Billionaires. Greg, like Jesse is trying to function in a mad world with mad rules, and brutality, and is awkward an funny, with bits of a good person that keeps hanging in there. But this show is on a far higher level than BB or most anything. What great art can do at its finest is to show us something we could never see otherwise, and that is truthful about the human race. With Succession we get an up close look at billionaires who feel they justly (and to far too many extents in fact) rule the world, and all the rest of us are ants under their feet. The show is closely based on the horrendous Murdoch family, but also the Astors, Redstones and Mercers.

I never understand people rejecting a narrative work because of unlikeable characters. I am very different from those people, I suppose. Succession is the finest writing I have ever encountered, in TV certainly, and inclusive of film, perhaps, but that kind of comparison is almost unworkable.

You do not have to have a uniformly good or sympathetic or good guy character in a great narrative work of art. In fact great masterpieces often don't, like Shakespeare's Richard III, David Chase's The Sopranos, or Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange. In those examples the whole point is they are monstrous and yet the telling of the tales winds its way into our brains and we end up rooting for them (in an incredibly queasy but very real way) because they are set in a world that is even worse. Alex in Clockwork is in a world where the state wants to control and damage his very ability to enjoy anything he loves. Tony is trapped in The Life (mob), caught between family and The Family, and suffers from mental illness.

The greatest of all characters capture the tragedy of real human beings both good and evil, and keep us off balance with that until we finally do identify with them and recognize a dark potential in ourselves. The very opening episode of The Sopranos has Tony in an amazingly tender scene with his young daughter in a church (the one character he truly loves without limits, and his meaning in life, and also all those years later, her image walking in a door, joining the family group is the absolutely final thing he will see). And seconds later in that opening episode, we see Tony enjoying strangling a man to death with a wire. These two protagonists, as one, will always be--both of them--the real Tony. When a work of narrative art gets you to care about a character like Richard III, Alex, and Tony,it's doing some monumentally great, and the melodrama of presenting just an easily identifiable "character you care about," has no value in comparison.

The great thing about Succession (well, at near the top of a dozen truly great things), is not just that we do care about several horrific people, but also that it constantly flips the audience's sympathies all over the place, often even momentarily. Often so, so briefly, we are off balance with who is "less horrible enough to root for" within a scene. We keep searching for one member of the family or another as our stand-in for the moment. Shiv seems to be the grandly, most often worst to me, but as intended, Your Mileage May Vary with the magic these writers are consistently delivering. Greg is a classic case of a constant trick character. Seems good guy caught in the hurricane of billionaire sociopathy all around him, seems like a permanent teenage awkward dolt, and then suddenly does something super smart (this happened with Jesse too).
 
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