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U.S. Budget Negotiations

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nycfan said:


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Trump isn't going to do shit to "fix" this bill, as it gives him and his fellow billionaires (and Project 2025 advocates) nearly everything they could want. He will, however, make a big ceremony out of signing it and brag about what big, beautiful bill it is and mock and troll Democrats for being "losers" once again. In other words, just a typical day with Dear Leader.

And I'm sure that in their meetings with Trump he bullied and threatened them with political oblivion if they didn't bend the knee and play along. So they caved, like they always do.
 


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Holdouts got their theater and the bill will pass once Dems run out of delaying tactics for a final vote today.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Trump isn't going to do shit to "fix" this bill, as it gives him and his fellow billionaires (and Project 2025 advocates) nearly everything they could want. He will, however, make a big ceremony out of signing it and brag about what big, beautiful bill it is and mock and troll Democrats for being "losers" once again. In other words, just a typical day with Dear Leader.

And I'm sure that in their meetings with Trump he bullied and threatened them with political oblivion if they didn't bend the knee and play along. So they caved, like they always do.
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They should have bullied back and pointed out if it didn't pass then it would diminish Trump's ability to touch them. So he would be better off to just fix the Bill. TACO Trump would then soon emerge.
 
Calheel said:
Work requirements are an extreme paperwork burden -- one that has the effect and purpose of kicking millions off coverage. Republicans talk about cutting red tape for businesses, while simultaneously regulating the poor into oblivion with miles of red tape.

John Oliver explains the problem very well in this week's show:

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My wife manages our 26 yo disabled son’s Medicaid approval/waivers. He’s unable to work. What this video shows is absolutely true. She was valedictorian of her HS and was a Presidents scholar at Ga Tech (equivalent to a Morehead) and graduated with an engineering degree with a 3.96 GPA. She works in IT and is computer savvy. Despite this background, the most difficult and frustrating/stressful challenge in her life is filling out the Medicaid forms and dealing with annual paperwork and the people whose job is to administer the Medicaid benefits. She spends countless hours on the phone every year at renewal and sometimes is denied for unspecified reasons and she fights hard to get it back.
If she struggles, how difficult must it be for the millions without her background and experience? And it will only get worse-assuming we keep Medicaid for him at all.
 
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Kingpin said:
My wife manages our 26 yo disabled son’s Medicaid approval/waivers. He’s unable to work. What this video shows is absolutely true. She was valedictorian of her HS and was a Presidents scholar at Ga Tech (equivalent to a Morehead) and graduated with an engineering degree with a 3.96 GPA. She works in IT and is computer savvy. Despite this background, the most difficult and frustrating/stressful challenge in her life is filling out the Medicaid forms and dealing with annual paperwork and the people whose job is to administer the Medicaid benefits. She spends countless hours on the phone every year at renewal and sometimes is denied for unspecified reasons and she fights hard to get it back.
If she struggles, how difficult must it be for the millions without her background and experience? And it will only get worse-assuming we keep Medicaid for him at all.
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The answer to the problem of documentation that is impossible to complete doesn’t mean we should even think about fixing the underlying issue.
Or so I was told.
 
I’ve heard numerous Republicans make the case for cuts by saying they want to get young, able-bodied adult males off the Medicaid system. How much savings would that really account for? As a group, I’ve never considered young, able-bodied adult males to big users of hospitals and doctor’s offices.
 
1moretimeagain said:
I’ve heard numerous Republicans make the case for cuts by saying they want to get young, able-bodied adult males off the Medicaid system. How much savings would that really account for? As a group, I’ve never considered young, able-bodied adult males to big users of hospitals and doctor’s offices.
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It's sleight of hand to their low information voters, like a few here.

Young, able bodied men 1. aren't dropping out of the labor market because they have a passive healthcare benefit, in any impactful numbers (see Arkansas failure) and 2. money isn't saved by having a demographic on a benefit which they use at a lower rate than just about any other demo.
 
I don't feel super strongly about this but I think Jeffries' six-hour filibuster is probably at least a little counterproductive. People will be checking out for the holiday weekend by early afternoon today. I think I'd rather have news that the bill passed dominating the news cycle right now, because very few people will hear anything else about it until Monday at the earliest. But whatever. Politicians love to hear themselves speak, even if they're the good guys.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't feel super strongly about this but I think Jeffries' six-hour filibuster is probably at least a little counterproductive. People will be checking out for the holiday weekend by early afternoon today. I think I'd rather have news that the bill passed dominating the news cycle right now, because very few people will hear anything else about it until Monday at the earliest. But whatever. Politicians love to hear themselves speak, even if they're the good guys.
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Jeffries should make it 36 hrs so the Pubs and Trump miss their 4th of July deadline
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't feel super strongly about this but I think Jeffries' six-hour filibuster is probably at least a little counterproductive. People will be checking out for the holiday weekend by early afternoon today. I think I'd rather have news that the bill passed dominating the news cycle right now, because very few people will hear anything else about it until Monday at the earliest. But whatever. Politicians love to hear themselves speak, even if they're the good guys.
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Ok, I withdraw my objection and I feel bad I read this so wrong initially. I get what Jeffries is doing now. This is not grandstanding. This is protest. I should have seen it before now, if for no other reason than the thread a week or so ago about the black voice in America as prophetic. I'm now seeing Jeffries standing up there with almost all black faces behind him, cheering him on, giving him encouragement, giving voice to the tens, maybe 100+ million Americans who will be kneecapped by this bill.

Keep going, my friend. At some point, you'll sit down and the bill will pass. But just as Daniel did not relent when every common sense analysis told him he should, you shouldn't either. This story may never be told, but I'll remember it.
 

Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries has set a record for the longest floor speech in modern history of the US House of Representatives as he speaks at length in protest against President Donald Trump’s sweeping domestic policy bill.

Then-House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy previously set the record in 2021.

Launching into marathon remarks at 4:53 a.m. ET, the New York Democrat spoke for hours from two separate binders, sharing stories from Americans who will be impacted by historic cuts to the Medicaid program and other provisions in the GOP megabill.

Jeffries spoke slowly, taking long pauses between words and phrases.

He used a legislative tool called the “magic minute,” which allows party leaders in the House to speak as long as they wish on the floor.

In November 2021, McCarthy spoke for 8 hours and 32 minutes, delaying a vote on then-President Joe Biden’s plan to dramatically expand the social safety net. Trump issued a statement at the time praising McCarthy for his speech.

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Hi, God, It's me, Margaret. If it's not too much trouble, could I ask you to please send MAGA into the nether reaches of hell to be endlessly fucked to oblivion? TIA.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't feel super strongly about this but I think Jeffries' six-hour filibuster is probably at least a little counterproductive. People will be checking out for the holiday weekend by early afternoon today.
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I don't think the Pubs can possibly hide a bill of this magnitude, nor do they want to. It's not as if we're going to stop talking about this issue.
 
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