U.S. Budget Negotiations

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It would certainly take congressional approval for Trump to be able to legally withhold the funds that Congress has already appropriated to be spent by USAID.
Going back to my original question. Why the hyper focus on elon not being elected? Trump was elected and assigned elon to doge and doge to cut the fat. elon is just acting on trump's behalf but the left seems really hung up on pointing out that elon wasn't elected.
 
Going back to my original question. Why the hyper focus on elon not being elected? Trump was elected and assigned elon to doge and doge to cut the fat. elon is just acting on trump's behalf but the left seems really hung up on pointing out that elon wasn't elected.
If he had been appointed to a real position, vetted by the FBI, and approved by congress, we wouldn’t be harping on that point. Even if it was clear that he was acting on direct and specific instructions from the president the issue would be somewhat mitigated. As it is, he, and his underlings, have essentially been given carte blanche access to classified information and critical systems. What oversight does congress have here? What evidence is there that he’s documenting all the steps he’s taken, all the changes he’s made to computer systems? Or even that anyone in the WH actually knows what he’s doing? Some hand wavy bullshit about Trump giving him the authority to do so is largely irrelevant. The presidency isn’t a Chevy Malibu or a dinette set. One can’t win it in a contest and then simply give it away to someone else.
 
If he had been appointed to a real position, vetted by the FBI, and approved by congress, we wouldn’t be harping on that point. Even if it was clear that he was acting on direct and specific instructions from the president the issue would be somewhat mitigated. As it is, he, and his underlings, have essentially been given carte blanche access to classified information and critical systems. What oversight does congress have here? What evidence is there that he’s documenting all the steps he’s taken, all the changes he’s made to computer systems? Or even that anyone in the WH actually knows what he’s doing? Some hand wavy bullshit about Trump giving him the authority to do so is largely irrelevant. The presidency isn’t a Chevy Malibu or a dinette set. One can’t win it in a contest and then simply give it away to someone else.
It's inconceivable that a smart person like calla is actually ok with what Elon and his DOGEbags are doing right now. He just doesn't want to admit it yet.
 
It's inconceivable that a smart person like calla is actually ok with what Elon and his DOGEbags are doing right now. He just doesn't want to admit it yet.
Where did I say I was ok with what elon is doing? I specifically said I have some misgivings about the method. I am in favor of shrinking the g'ment and cutting out wasteful spending. My idea of wasteful spending likely doesn't line up with yours so. Yes to doge but i don't like the method. Did you just skip over that part?
 
Going back to my original question. Why the hyper focus on elon not being elected? Trump was elected and assigned elon to doge and doge to cut the fat. elon is just acting on trump's behalf but the left seems really hung up on pointing out that elon wasn't elected.
Pretty simple, we're not a dictatorship, trump can't do everything he wants with no oversight. And my understanding is that congress has to approve the position.
 
Going back to my original question. Why the hyper focus on elon not being elected? Trump was elected and assigned elon to doge and doge to cut the fat. elon is just acting on trump's behalf but the left seems really hung up on pointing out that elon wasn't elected.
Question for you.

Do you have no concern with him having unchecked access to everything in government?
 
If he had been appointed to a real position, vetted by the FBI, and approved by congress, we wouldn’t be harping on that point. Even if it was clear that he was acting on direct and specific instructions from the president the issue would be somewhat mitigated. As it is, he, and his underlings, have essentially been given carte blanche access to classified information and critical systems. What oversight does congress have here? What evidence is there that he’s documenting all the steps he’s taken, all the changes he’s made to computer systems? Or even that anyone in the WH actually knows what he’s doing? Some hand wavy bullshit about Trump giving him the authority to do so is largely irrelevant. The presidency isn’t a Chevy Malibu or a dinette set. One can’t win it in a contest and then simply give it away to someone else.
Is every bureaucrat vetted by the fbi and approved by congress. doge is a new entity. Congress has spending oversight. What evidence do you have that he's not documenting the step's he's taken and all the changes he's made. What evidence do you have that the WH doesn't know what he's doing. Getting all ginned up because of tweets by left wing lunatics that don't know any more than you do kind of makes you guys look silly. trump has the authority to do what he is doing. He told the voters exactly what he was going to do and they elected him to do it. His guardrails are the law and all the lawsuits that are being filed. He waved his hand and eliminated birthright citizenship until the court slapped his hand. You are jumping to a bunch of conclusions and being led like sheep exactly where your media wants you to go.

Love all the violent rhetoric the left is generating. Just a horrible thing when pubs do it but always justified when its the leftist idiots in congress. Sorry about that comment. I should have included it in the thread condemning all that vitriol. What page is it on?
 
At this point, with Musk having all the info and perhaps more, could Trump even get rid of Musk without a catastrophic retaliation by Musk on the country?
 
Pretty simple, we're not a dictatorship, trump can't do everything he wants with no oversight. And my understanding is that congress has to approve the position.
You are assuming there is no oversight correct? Trump can do what the courts allow him to do. Every president has pulled that lever including biden. You can't be ok with it then but not now. As for all the information coming out in the media and social media, do you just accept it? As always, trump talks really big and when the dust settles the reality is about a tenth of what he initially says.
 
At this point, with Musk having all the info and perhaps more, could Trump even get rid of Musk without a catastrophic retaliation by Musk on the country?
musk will be out in less than a year. he has companies to run. I could see how he could wind up in a lawsuit from shareholders eventually.
 
You are assuming there is no oversight correct? Trump can do what the courts allow him to do. Every president has pulled that lever including biden. You can't be ok with it then but not now. As for all the information coming out in the media and social media, do you just accept it? As always, trump talks really big and when the dust settles the reality is about a tenth of what he initially says.
Where is there oversight? Congress and the departments that he seems to be invading don't appear to have any oversight or control.

I know, at trump's age one would believe that he would have grown up enough by now to understand how to communicate without lying and grandstanding.

What do you mean accept the media? There are so many collaborating reports, it's hard to believe that they are all making this up and colluding to mislead us. But yes, the media and many of these sources has earned the skepticism they receive, so no I do not blindly trust any of the sources.
 
musk will be out in less than a year. he has companies to run. I could see how he could wind up in a lawsuit from shareholders eventually.
He's not actively running those companies any longer. He may show up, stoned, to a board meeting every once in a while, but he isn't running them.
 
Something I will never understand in our country, and particularly on the American right, is the worship and deification of billionaires. I'm someone who very much believes that capitalism is the best system of economics, and I'm someone who very much thinks that having a lot of money is a hell of a lot more fun and more comfortable than having a little money. I'm not at all opposed to people being able to create or build immense amounts of personal wealth. Hell, my entire profession depends on specifically just that! But what I don't understand is how the Republican Party has created a voting coalition comprised of a whole lot of rural, non-college-educated, blue collar, lower-to-middle class people making $40K, $50K, 70K a year or whatever, who will go to the mat licking the boots of billionaires and supporting a party whose entire goal is, very openly, to amass more wealth in the hands of fewer people.

The Democratic Party has plenty of flaws of its own, and I certainly am not in agreement with it on all things policy or ideology, but IMO the Democratic Party generally believes- and strives for- raising the tide for all (or most) boats. The Republican Party generally believes, and strives for, whomever has the biggest yacht wins.

I'd like to see the Democratic Party unapologetically embrace an economic policy of "more millionaires, no billionaires" where most anyone in this country can get rich, but nobody can be an oligarch. We are rapidly hurtling towards becoming way more like post-Soviet Russia than anyone wants to admit, with wealth and power amassed in the hands of a very, very, very select few, and the rest of the population is left to fight amongst itself for a few crumbs and table scraps. I used to be adamantly opposed to concepts like wealth taxes, but now having seen how money can literally buy U.S. elections and install un-elected billionaires who can run roughshod over our entire 250-year-old constitutional order, I can easily be persuaded the other way. Put a wealth cap of $100MM, $250MM, $500MM, whatever you want, but everything above the cap is taxed at 100%.

I love making money. I hope (and believe) with the way that I earn, save, and invest, that I can one day amass an eight-figure net worth. I think it's great that people who are infinitely smarter, more intelligent, more creative, more innovative, more entrepreneurial, more business savvy, and more risk-tolerant than I am, can make ten-fold that amount or more. America became wealthy and powerful because we became one of the best places on earth to create and innovate. I'm not advocating for SOSHULISM or anything- simply asking for my fellow countrymen and women to stop bootlicking billionaires.
You don’t believe in capitalism.

You believe in a nation of laws and regulations that work to benefit all citizens.
 
Going back to my original question. Why the hyper focus on elon not being elected? Trump was elected and assigned elon to doge and doge to cut the fat. elon is just acting on trump's behalf but the left seems really hung up on pointing out that elon wasn't elected.
No legal basis for DOGE exists.
 
Love all the violent rhetoric the left is generating. Just a horrible thing when pubs do it but always justified when its the leftist idiots in congress. Sorry about that comment. I should have included it in the thread condemning all that vitriol. What page is it on?
Why it's right there on the front page where it should be. Do you expect something as important as decorum to fall off of the front page, do you?

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Question for you.

Do you have no concern with him having unchecked access to everything in government?
I have a lot of concern about everything he is doing, but more so about the way he is doing it. As an efficiency expert, the way he is going about this is nothing more than publicity stunts because lawsuits will force much to be redone. There is nothing efficient about what he is doing which was part of the goal in the first place. This is all for show for trump and elon's egos. I'm happy the size of g'ment is going to shrink substantially and dei is betting rooted out, but its going to take longer this way.
 
I have a lot of concern about everything he is doing, but more so about the way he is doing it. As an efficiency expert, the way he is going about this is nothing more than publicity stunts because lawsuits will force much to be redone. There is nothing efficient about what he is doing which was part of the goal in the first place. This is all for show for trump and elon's egos. I'm happy the size of g'ment is going to shrink substantially and dei is betting rooted out, but its going to take longer this way.
Am i reading this correctly? Are you an efficiency expert?
 
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