U.S. Budget Negotiations

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I am so sick and tired of the Democratic Party. Chuck Schumer has got to be the biggest, spineless twat waffle. Trump basically dared them to do it. He knows when push comes to shove the Democrats will cave. Why the hell are they asking us not to give in when they continually keep taking it and then begging for more? It's hard to maintain any sort of will to fight when your elected officials just roll over and capitulate every damn time. I don't have the energy to give a shit when they clearly don't give a damn.
 
tarheel931 said:
I am so sick and tired of the Democratic Party. Chuck Schumer has got to be the biggest, spineless twat waffle. Trump basically dared them to do it. He knows when push comes to shove the Democrats will cave. Why the hell are they asking us not to give in when they continually keep taking it and then begging for more? It's hard to maintain any sort of will to fight when your elected officials just roll over and capitulate every damn time. I don't have the energy to give a shit when they clearly don't give a damn.
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All right. This is not the case. You can disagree with the decision -- and I do, provisionally -- but the idea that the Dems don't care is absurd. They have had multiple meetings this week, and by all accounts the meetings were heated.

Schumer is the majority leader, not some military general. If there are seven members who want to vote for the CR, what can he do? Fetterman already said he would.

I say that I provisionally disagree because I don't know the whole story. I think Schumer's story makes sense. My intuition is to emulate McConnell, as he was clearly an effective minority leader. But we also don't know what the Senators are hearing from people who are more informed as to the damage caused by the shutdown, the vulnerabilities of important Dem groups, what Vought has planned next, etc.

It's also true that there's a debt ceiling deadline coming up, and maybe Dems will stand strong there. And don't say, "yeah right" because the two situations are different. There are good reasons to cave on the CR and take up the fight for the debt ceiling.
 
Mundial said:
To be clear, just trying to understand Schumer's thinking.
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Yeah, I was expanding on your point. Here's my imaginative reconstruction of Schumer's thinking:

1. He doesn't have 43 no votes. There are at least seven senators who want to vote for the CR. So he's falling on his sword so that vulnerable Dems don't have to.

2. This is an asymmetrical fight and always has been. What if the House Republicans don't come back to pass a CR? What if they leave the government shut down? Elon's not going to shut down. The guys who are killing all public services are maybe going to be quite gleeful for Democrats' assistance.

3. There's a debt ceiling deadline that can be an opportunity for Dems to hold the line. That's a better fight because it's not asymmetric. The billionaires will suffer big time from a debt default.
 
tarheel931 said:
I am so sick and tired of the Democratic Party. Chuck Schumer has got to be the biggest, spineless twat waffle. Trump basically dared them to do it. He knows when push comes to shove the Democrats will cave. Why the hell are they asking us not to give in when they continually keep taking it and then begging for more? It's hard to maintain any sort of will to fight when your elected officials just roll over and capitulate every damn time. I don't have the energy to give a shit when they clearly don't give a damn.
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Not going to argue your points, but i know Elon was rooting for a shutdown so i am guessing they had something nasty cooked up if the Dems threw a spanner in the works. this might have been a lesser of two evils choice.
 
If I am following Schumer, then he is saying that a shutdown is worse because Trump/Musk can eliminate more federal workers? I thought the idea was to trade your votes to get things which means you can negotiate that problem away.
 
superrific said:
Not if the GOP is actually happy to shut it down and blame Dems.
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Exactly. If the federal courts were to shut down then I could see DOGE just continuing to run amok and firing people with no courts to stop them (Elon doesn't need money and could possibly pay his own staff). Some folks here say that judges would work for free but I am not sure about that, plus you would need other members of the court and staff, security etc. I am not an expert on this but that is what I think the Dems may have been thinking. As ST said lesser of two evils and the budget deadline being the real battle.
 
Like NO ONE in America knows what you’re referring to. Mike won this round admit it. DOGE and Immigration will be fully funded through September.
 
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