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I think the point is that you don't know anything.
Nobody does!
The people who run those hospitals and clinics have a very good idea how this will affect them. They know that a paltry $10B a year will not make them whole.
Really? How can they know that? Are you telling me the current hospital in question KNOWS how many patients they will be losing, how much that will cost them and how much they'll get and they KNOW it won't be enough? If that's your claim, explain how they could possibly know all of that HOURS after the bill passed?
And of course you are leaving out the problem of attracting doctors, which became a hell of a lot of harder for several reasons. The Big Ugly Monstrosity more or less declares war on physician training in the US.
Stop changing the subject.
 
Nobody does!

Really? How can they know that? Are you telling me the current hospital in question KNOWS how much they'll get and they KNOW it won't be enough? If that's your claim, explain how they could possibly know that HOURS after the bill passed?

Stop changing the subject.
Most likely they know staff will leave for bigger hospitals and clinics in larger communities sooner rather than later. Nursing and diagnostic/clinical lab technicians are in high demand. We have positions advertised constantly, and many of the new hires come from smaller facilities.
It’s also possible they’ve already been told the state will not be able to extend additional funding. Most of these places operate on margins that are precariously thin. A 3% drop in support could be catastrophic.
 

A Big, Beautiful Disaster For America​

President Trump says he wants energy independence, jobs and AI. His anti-electric vehicle plans stand to derail all of that.​



The problem is that America isn’t very good at making batteries. This was supposed to change as the IRA promoted domestic EV and battery manufacturing: after all, in order to get the full $7,500 tax credit at purchase, EVs had to be made in North America, as did a minimum percentage of the critical minerals and other components within their batteries.

But if the battery boom goes bust, it could be bad news for Trump’s agenda on multiple fronts. That includes losing tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs, sacrificing a shot at greater energy independence, and continuing to depend on China for so much of America’s battery needs.

Changing the fact that the U.S. now ranks a dismal fourth overall in global battery production was supposed to be a huge boon to domestic manufacturing employment. The opposite has happened since Trump returned to office. According to a recent report from the nonpartisan Zero Emission Transportation Association, more than $14 billion in clean energy projects were canceled this year due to “policy uncertainty.” Those include halting construction on a battery plant in South Carolina; the closure of two plants in Michigan; and a scuttled plan for a battery component plant in Georgia.

Incidentally, most of the states where battery plants were once planned, but are now seeing cuts, went for Trump last November. Yet the effects will be seen everywhere.
The real problem is that MAGA Nation is mostly opposed to switching to electric cars and trucks, just like they've become fiercely opposed to almost any progressive changes in our society, whether it's economic, technical, or social change. If anything, they want to turn the clock back on progress, including stopping or at least slowing down the development and sales of electric vehicles. Any change now scares them and leaves them frightened of the future. So what's likely going to happen is that the rest of the world will continue to move ahead with transitioning to electric vehicles, and we'll be left behind as MAGA Americans keep insisting on driving huge gas-powered SUVs and pickup trucks. And, typically, not only are they insisting on continuing to drive gas-powered vehicles, they want to make it difficult for anyone else in America to drive electric cars too. Because it's not enough just for them to do something, everyone else has to go along as well whether they want to or not. That's how they roll.
 
I just hope all those rural MAGAs are ok with all their local doctors, to the extent they exist, being from India and Nigeria.
That happens to a large extent today. It's not everybody but plenty of Indian and Nigerian doctors in rural settings and most are there because they couldn't get a job in an urban or suburban environment. Not to say they're bad but they don't necessarily have the same education and licensing path as most American born doctors.

And it's not necessarily the money. Rural physician jobs can actually pay very well because of lack of competition. And of course the cost of living is much lower. But the reason these rural hospitals and other facilities have trouble attracting people is physicians are by their nature highly educated and most don't want to live in the middle of nowhere and educate their kids in some middle of no where school. Spouse also may not want to limit their job prospects by living outside of an urban area. That's been our experience.

When it comes to foreign born doctors, they may take that rural job for a few years to get some experience on the CV and then move to a more urban area. That's a pretty common path.
 
Stop changing the subject.
I'm not changing the subject. If you don't understand that doctor shortages are a huge problem for rural areas and in fact an existential threat to their businesses . . . well, it would be par for the course for you I guess.

The idea that hospitals haven't been analyzing these issues for months and years is ludicrous. That they don't understand their business or their bottom line enough to make projections. Once again you confuse your own ignorance for the non-existence of knowledge.
 
The real problem is that MAGA Nation is mostly opposed to switching to electric cars and trucks, just like they've become fiercely opposed to almost any progressive changes in our society, whether it's economic, technical, or social change. If anything, they want to turn the clock back on progress, including stopping or at least slowing down the development and sales of electric vehicles. Any change now scares them and leaves them frightened of the future. So what's likely going to happen is that the rest of the world will continue to move ahead with transitioning to electric vehicles, and we'll be left behind as MAGA Americans keep insisting on driving huge gas-powered SUVs and pickup trucks. And, typically, not only are they insisting on continuing to drive gas-powered vehicles, they want to make it difficult for anyone else in America to drive electric cars too. Because it's not enough just for them to do something, everyone else has to go along as well whether they want to or not. That's how they roll.
Yep. They couldn't even handle LED light bulbs.
 
That happens to a large extent today. It's not everybody but plenty of Indian and Nigerian doctors in rural settings and most are there because they couldn't get a job in an urban or suburban environment. Not to say they're bad but they don't necessarily have the same education and licensing path as most American born doctors.

And it's not necessarily the money. Rural physician jobs can actually pay very well because of lack of competition. And of course the cost of living is much lower. But the reason these rural hospitals and other facilities have trouble attracting people is physicians are by their nature highly educated and most don't want to live in the middle of nowhere and educate their kids in some middle of no where school. Spouse also may not want to limit their job prospects by living outside of an urban area. That's been our experience.

When it comes to foreign born doctors, they may take that rural job for a few years to get some experience on the CV and then move to a more urban area. That's a pretty common path.
Yeah that’s basically what I’m saying. And this bill will (1) reduce pay in rural areas, and (b) drive US educated doctors to more urban areas. So it may be happening now, but it’s about to get turbocharged in those areas.

Also, I agree doctors from foreign schools can be very good. I’m just skeptical most MAGAs will share that view.
 
When it comes to foreign born doctors, they may take that rural job for a few years to get some experience on the CV and then move to a more urban area. That's a pretty common path.
It is. It's fortunate, then, that the Trump administration is so welcoming of foreigners, especially ones with brown skin from countries in Asia or Africa. Now that Americans can no longer afford to train to be physicians, there will surely be a long line of Indian doctors just clamoring to get in. Right?
 
Yeah that’s basically what I’m saying. And this bill will (1) reduce pay in rural areas, and (b) drive US educated doctors to more urban areas. So it may be happening now, but it’s about to get turbocharged in those areas.

Also, I agree doctors from foreign schools can be very good. I’m just skeptical most MAGAs will share that view.
Where are these foreign doctors coming from? Ain't no army of Indian doctors who will come to save us. Australia and New Zealand put up travel advisories against even visiting America. Why the hell would trained medical professionals sign up for endless harassment, paperwork, no political freedom, constant threat of being hurled into an unmarked van?
 
I've never understood being able to claim gambling losses on taxes.
You can only claim them against gambling wins. It is a basket item.

Suppose you sit down at a slot machine and win $1,200.

Later in the day, you lose $1,200 on the slot machine.

For the day, your winnings are exactly zero.

Under your theory, you would need to pay taxes on $1,200 of “income” because you don’t think you should be allowed to deduct gambling losses.
 
Nobody does!

Really? How can they know that? Are you telling me the current hospital in question KNOWS how many patients they will be losing, how much that will cost them and how much they'll get and they KNOW it won't be enough? If that's your claim, explain how they could possibly know all of that HOURS after the bill passed?

Stop changing the subject.
My mother retired from being a medical administrator in one of the poorest counties in NC and she could tell you on any given moment at any given time what percentage of their deliveries were Medicaid and what the outstanding balance was from the State of NC on those claims. Routinely, those kinds of hospitals and clinics have to borrow funds for ongoing operations with future due Medicaid payments as collateral. Everyone in medicine knows those numbers about their facility or practice. This is EPSECIALLY true in rural counties.

I can assure you that if the practice she ran found out their Medicaid reimbursements were going to be cut by even 10-15%, they would have ceased operations the following week. They are also to this day the only OB/GYN practice in Edgecombe County and the only OB physicians with admitting privileges at the local hospital. If that practice closes, there isn't a single doctor to deliver a baby in the entire county.
 
In North Carolina specifically for state taxes, the deduction is 0% and always has been. So in your example, NC treats it like you won $9,500 even if losses were $10,000 (so really you lost $500).

Dumbest thing ever on both counts. Only profits should be taxable.
That is a pretty guarantied way to only get W-2G income reported. Basically, it is a law that effectively requires tax fraud.
 
Yeah that’s basically what I’m saying. And this bill will (1) reduce pay in rural areas, and (b) drive US educated doctors to more urban areas. So it may be happening now, but it’s about to get turbocharged in those areas.

Also, I agree doctors from foreign schools can be very good. I’m just skeptical most MAGAs will share that view.
No argument that this bill might reduce pay in rural areas, but I suspect most American born doctors are in rural environments because they want to be there. They have family nearby or they like the lifestyle, or they started out their career in a rural environment and grew to love the place.

They might see a reduction in pay with the new bill but I doubt it would be enough to drive them to an urban environment. Even if they make less, they're still paid very well. Of course if the hospital shuts down because they're not getting enough Medicaid payments to keep the lights on, the rural doctors might be forced to make a move.
 
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Nobody does!

Really? How can they know that? Are you telling me the current hospital in question KNOWS how many patients they will be losing, how much that will cost them and how much they'll get and they KNOW it won't be enough? If that's your claim, explain how they could possibly know all of that HOURS after the bill passed?

Stop changing the subject.
As someone who does healthcare pro formas for a living

Might want to sit this one out. You sound really really dumb.
 
Where are these foreign doctors coming from? Ain't no army of Indian doctors who will come to save us. Australia and New Zealand put up travel advisories against even visiting America. Why the hell would trained medical professionals sign up for endless harassment, paperwork, no political freedom, constant threat of being hurled into an unmarked van?
Well, the average physician pay in India appears to be a little less than $35k. Maybe they go to other western countries instead but I suspect people would put up with a lot of bureaucracy to get a substantially higher salary.
 
You can only claim them against gambling wins. It is a basket item.

Suppose you sit down at a slot machine and win $1,200.

Later in the day, you lose $1,200 on the slot machine.

For the day, your winnings are exactly zero.

Under your theory, you would need to pay taxes on $1,200 of “income” because you don’t think you should be allowed to deduct gambling losses.
It depends on the gambling. If you buy $1,200 worth of scratch offs, and you win $1,200, the government is going to tax you on the $1,200. As you point out, that's not the way with sports betting and casino games for the most part but it's not unprecedented to not allow you to offset gambling wins with losses.
 
but I suspect most American born doctors are in rural environments because they want to be there.
No. Public interest loan repayment drives huge traffic to rural areas. That's why my wife was working in Missouri. I've seen stats -- slightly dated by now -- that a third to a half of rural physicians are there to get loan repayment assistance.

Loan repayment is an important part of rural health clinic compensation packages. As in, on job listing sites, they list loan repayment along with salary.

Public service loan repayment has been slashed by Trump. Fewer people are going to graduate medical school, and they will graduate with less debt. They aren't moving to rural areas.
 
It depends on the gambling. If you buy $1,200 worth of scratch offs, and you win $1,200, the government is going to tax you on the $1,200. As you point out, that's not the way with sports betting and casino games for the most part but it's not unprecedented to not allow you to offset gambling wins with losses.
Incorrect. I can’t speak to NC, which apparently has some screwed up gambling laws, but under federal law there is no distinction in the type of gambling wins.

The reality is that you don’t get tax forms for almost all scratchers, so 99.9% of people aren’t reporting that income. But under federal law, all gambling and lottery wins need to be reported as income and all gambling losses are eligible for below-the-line itemized deductions (now limited to 90%)
 
Well, the average physician pay in India appears to be a little less than $35k. Maybe they go to other western countries instead but I suspect people would put up with a lot of bureaucracy to get a substantially higher salary.
The average physician in India is not the population we're talking about. The average physician in India with a realistic possibility of landing a job in the US earns a lot higher than $35K. "Average" salaries in India are meaningless anyway. Large sections of the country are among the poorest places on Earth. Bihar is basically Somalia inside India. You'd have to ask where.

And yes, they will go elsewhere. Canada, for instance.

Plus, we're assuming that the visa process has been unchanged. I doubt that's true. Let's put it this way: there has been a shortage of doctors in the US for a while. If the system was capable of bringing in more foreign medical grads, it would have. Trump isn't making that any easier.
 
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