U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

[Duke Mu]

No Schumer lost. Total defeat and surrender.

Schumer is weak and horrible. Replace with Mark Kelly as the Dem Senatorial leader ASAP.

 

[Duke Mu]

Am I correct that Schumer's explanation was that to shut the government down would hand Republicans too much power to cut innocent Federal Employees? And that there was nothing to gain by shutting down? Lessor of two bad choices?

And that Democrats would get blamed for not caving?

Well yes, Trump would have used it to do bad things. No argument there. But all Democrats had to do was point out that it would be Trump's choice to do the bad things. Frankly, as bad as the results of what Trump would have done would have been...........it would have been messaging gold for the Democrats. If Schumer wasn't able to use the gold, then what does that say?

Schumer would fumble a 4 ace hand.

 

[Duke Mu]

I am so sick and tired of the Democratic Party. Chuck Schumer has got to be the biggest, spineless twat waffle. Trump basically dared them to do it. He knows when push comes to shove the Democrats will cave. Why the hell are they asking us not to give in when they continually keep taking it and then begging for more? It's hard to maintain any sort of will to fight when your elected officials just roll over and capitulate every damn time. I don't have the energy to give a shit when they clearly don't give a damn.

The Orange Bully will simply run the same power play again and again. Schumer is SO WEAK.

 

[nycfan]

My husband have been arguing about how to handle this for at least six weeks and I consistently argued against a filibuster shutdown for most of the reasons that Schumer ultimately articulated.

That said, his handling of getting from the House passage to this vote was political malpractice. He is not up to the job anymore and needs replaced even though I think this is the correct strategic decision.

 

[Duke Mu]

Agreed. But Republicans are duke. They are a 10 point favorite. Hoping for some portal additions in 2026.

There won't be a country left.

OTOH, Ol Roy spent years keeping his best players out of the NBA to make runs...and lie to their faces about their prospects.

 

[Duke Mu]

My husband have been arguing about how to handle this for at least six weeks and I consistently argued against a filibuster shutdown for most of the reasons that Schumer ultimately articulated.

That said, his handling of getting from the House passage to this vote was political malpractice. He is not up to the job anymore and needs replaced even though I think this is the correct strategic decision.

Strongly disagree. You can't let illegal Executive overreach get codified. HUGE mistake. Dems are going to get run over for 2 more years.

The people need LEADERSHIP. Dems should mutiny and overthrow Milquetoast Schumer for Mark Kelly ASAP.

I'm forced to post the best scene from The American President again:

 

[BlueSmoke]

My husband have been arguing about how to handle this for at least six weeks and I consistently argued against a filibuster shutdown for most of the reasons that Schumer ultimately articulated.

That said, his handling of getting from the House passage to this vote was political malpractice. He is not up to the job anymore and needs replaced even though I think this is the correct strategic decision.

There's tactics and then there is winning the game. Hate to say it, but the quicker Trump way overreaches might be the best way to win the game in the end. Although, I certainly get its an unpleasant call.

 

[Duke Mu]

There's tactics and then there is winning the game. Hate to say it, but the quicker Trump way overreaches might be the best way to win the game in the end. Although, I certainly get its an unpleasant call.

Correct. You Play to Win the Game.

Schumer is LOSING. Biden's campaign manager was forced on Kamala (she could have refused her) and Trump is clowining Schumer again. He's such a chump. OPTICS gdit!

 

[mpaer]

I can not deny Shumers basic premise that Congress shutting down would give orangeturd way more power

 

[rodoheel]

I can not deny Shumers basic premise that Congress shutting down would give orangeturd way more power

Disagree. He's already doing what he wants and disregarding Congress anyway.

What is the most stupid is people like Fetterman openly saying "I will never vote to shut down the government" which is a great way of confirming to Pubs that there is no reason they have to even consider working with Dems on the terms of any future continuing resolution.

 

[rodoheel]

There's tactics and then there is winning the game. Hate to say it, but the quicker Trump way overreaches might be the best way to win the game in the end. Although, I certainly get its an unpleasant call.

This has been my position for a few months now.

 

[mpaer]

Disagree. He's already doing what he wants and disregarding Congress anyway.

What is the most stupid is people like Fetterman openly saying "I will never vote to shut down the government" which is a great way of confirming to Pubs that there is no reason they have to even consider working with Dems on the terms of any future continuing resolution.

Gotcha

 

[superrific]

What's the obsession with Mark Kelly? He was one of those pushing the "advance the CR" position for a week before flipping to no at the last minute.

 

[superrific]

Correct. You Play to Win the Game.

What does this mean? Maybe you think there is intellectual content there, but what I see is an empty platitude that could apply equally in any context.

Do you have any experience in law, politics, policy? That's not to say such experience is required, but maybe it's a good idea to have some basis for your angry pronouncements. What I see in your posts is little more than blue MAGA. There a lot of thoughtful people here, with deep experience in some of these fields, who seem to agree with the Schumer strategy. I was skeptical of it at first, and still do not know how I feel about it, but there are some serious questions to the "shut it down" argument and none of them have been meaningfully addressed.

The problem here is that "shut it down" is a bluff. We don't want it to shut down. When the GOP does their shutdown dance, they aren't bluffing. They don't care if it shuts down. And that's all the more true for Trump, who is dying for the chance to say "Congress didn't do its job; I will keep the government open."

This literally could be Trump's Reichstag moment. If you're not aware of that danger or disregard it, and instead go with meaningless rally slogans, you're not helping.

 

[superrific]

He’s a bit pugilistic, swing-state, centric, been in the pubic eye a long time, and the right demos. Not sure it’s much more than that. He fails to inspire my confidence.

He's also been a Senator for how long? He's not anywhere near a leadership position. There are plenty of non-Schumer choices well ahead of him.

 

[StrangePackage]

He's also been a Senator for how long? He's not anywhere near a leadership position. There are plenty of non-Schumer choices well ahead of him.

Seniority over all is how we get Schumer in the first place.

I'm okay with exploring alternatives not related to how long they have held down a chair.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Schumer, meanwhile, told reporters he thinks Democrats might be able to get a better deal since Trump will be less popular come September and that Republican appropriators might be more willing to stand up to him. Trump’s approval numbers have dipped in recent weeks, especially due to his handling of the economy and turmoil in the stock market.
It’s possible that Trump’s approval rating nosedives even more in the next six months, but history has shown that congressional Republicans are far more likely to bend the knee than risk angering the president or his supporters. HUFFPOST

There was a strategy after all.

 

[superrific]

Seniority over all is how we get Schumer in the first place.

I'm okay with exploring alternatives not related to how long they have held down a chair.

I'm not talking about seniority over all. You can say, "well, a fourth-term Senator isn't necessarily a better choice than a third-term Senator" and that's fine. But Kelly is a first-term Senator. It's hard to imagine him being an effective leader. Moreover, usually leaders start by leading committees or taking lesser roles within the Senate leadership, which can be seen as a test of their leadership abilities.

Did Hakeem Jeffries have the greatest seniority among possible speakers? I do not think he did. But he wasn't a rookie either.

 

[wmheel1287]

Schumer, meanwhile, told reporters he thinks Democrats might be able to get a better deal since Trump will be less popular come September and that Republican appropriators might be more willing to stand up to him. Trump’s approval numbers have dipped in recent weeks, especially due to his handling of the economy and turmoil in the stock market.
It’s possible that Trump’s approval rating nosedives even more in the next six months, but history has shown that congressional Republicans are far more likely to bend the knee than risk angering the president or his supporters. HUFFPOST

There was a strategy after all.

I get that thinking but I also think there's a not-too-outlandish belief that we won't make it to September without something akin to a cold civil war...hell...maybe even a hot one.

It's been 2 months and the federal government is very nearly broken already. 6 more months of this unimpeded assault?....

 

[UNCatTech]