U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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The thread is about the federal budget. Recent conversations have focused on federal deficit. Pretty obvious what was implied.
“40% of the country doesn’t pay taxes.”

Your words, not mine. You didn’t say, “40% of the country doesn’t pay Federal taxes.” And, if you had, that would be an incorrect statement.

FISA taxes are federal. Federal excise taxes exist. Other Federal taxes exist.
 
“40% of the country doesn’t pay taxes.”

Your words, not mine. You didn’t say, “40% of the country doesn’t pay Federal taxes.” And, if you had, that would be an incorrect statement.

FISA taxes are federal. Federal excise taxes exist. Other Federal taxes exist.
ok. 40.1% of Americans pay no federal income taxes. That’s a mess.
 
Does this include Children ? Honest question



  • Roughly 28% to 30% of adult tax units (individual filers or couples) pay no federal income tax in a typical year.
  • Of that 28–30%, roughly 10–15% of all tax units not only pay $0 but receive money back through refundable credits (i.e., “negative income tax”).

 
We are kind of hosed with our tax policies. 40% of the country doesn’t pay taxes. The tax bracket for the rich is too low. There is no appetite to change it.
We at least agree on half of the problem. IMO There is little point in further taxing, via income tax, people who already can barely afford the cost of living. but certainly we are too low on the high end - in particular I think we are long overdue for at least one, maybe two additional tax brackets at the top. And the rates for the existing top 2-3 brackets probably need to go up.
 
We at least agree on half of the problem. IMO There is little point in further taxing, via income tax, people who already can barely afford the cost of living. but certainly we are too low on the high end - in particular I think we are long overdue for at least one, maybe two additional tax brackets at the top. And the rates for the existing top 2-3 brackets probably need to go up.
And lets not forget Corporate income taxes For ex no freaking reason to cut taxes for banks in trump 1-most had just experienced record profits
 
We at least agree on half of the problem. IMO There is little point in further taxing, via income tax, people who already can barely afford the cost of living. but certainly we are too low on the high end - in particular I think we are long overdue for at least one, maybe two additional tax brackets at the top. And the rates for the existing top 2-3 brackets probably need to go up.
Agreed but with that said - the issue over the last five years has been expenditures. It’s gone up 56% in 5 years, which is obscene.
 
  • Roughly 28% to 30% of adult tax units (individual filers or couples) pay no federal income tax in a typical year.
  • Of that 28–30%, roughly 10–15% of all tax units not only pay $0 but receive money back through refundable credits (i.e., “negative income tax”).
So, you want to charge impoverished people income tax? Even though they pay FISA and federal excise taxes?
 
Agreed but with that said - the issue over the last five years has been expenditures. It’s gone up 56% in 5 years, which is obscene.
How much of that was COVID/STIMULUS Blip??
I honestly don't know but I figure its a lot of it-and a lot of "it " will go away
 
What does Covid have to do with 2024?
It's part of the 8 trillion dollars that Trump added to the national debt. David Stockman has said that between his first term and his announced plans for this term, he might add 30 trillion before he and his policies are done. The interest on that debt is a part of it.
 
It's part of the 8 trillion dollars that Trump added to the national debt. David Stockman has said that between his first term and his announced plans for this term, he might add 30 trillion before he and his policies are done. The interest on that debt is a part of it.
The interest is just a fraction of the 56% increase since 2019.


A million seconds ago was May 23rd
A billion seconds ago was 1993
A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C.

The US national debt is now rising by $1 Trillion every 180 days.
 
The interest is just a fraction of the 56% increase since 2019.


A million seconds ago was May 23rd
A billion seconds ago was 1993
A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C.

The US national debt is now rising by $1 Trillion every 180 days.
Yes and directly or indirectly, as when Obama had to pay for the Shrub's military mistakes, the Republicans are responsible for the greatest part of it by far. Reagan almost tripled it and was the one to first really put us behind the eight ball. You're like the guy who killed his parents and asked the judge to have mercy on him because he's an orphan.
 
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