U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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nycfan said:


“…And once you see the growth trajectory change to an upward bias, the bill more than pays for itself We could be in surplus.”

Wow. A surplus?
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Trump promised he would eliminate the national debt (not just the deficit ) during his first term.

Could we be at a point where we will eliminate the national debt in Trump's 2nd term ? Could the tariffs combined with the Big Beautiful Bill getter done ?
 
CeruleanBlueHeel said:
Dem leadership should be laser-focused on turning Collins and Murkowski, or at the very least, impairing their chances of re-election. Cracks are widening with Paul and Tillis holdouts, so opportunity is definitely there.

Also, it became apparent to me watching MSNBC last night, either Pulaski or O'Donnell, Medicaid cuts are going to affect us all in terms of increasing costs of care and insurance. The poor and uninsured are still going to wind in some ER and that cost will be borne by the insured, as it continues to be. Another messaging failure by Dem leadership.
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Murkowski and Collins will cave. The Dems need to target Collins for next year should she run for re-election which I think she will. No need to target Murkowski . She is safe until 2028 and there is little chance there will be a Dem Senator in 2029.

Maine and North Carolina ( and maybe Iowa and Texas ?) are ripe in 2026
 
heelinhell said:
Trump promised he would eliminate the national debt (not just the deficit ) during his first term.

Could we be at a point where we will eliminate the national debt in Trump's 2nd term ? Could the tariffs combined with the Big Beautiful Bill getter done ?
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Maybe if Trump leaves the national debt unattended in a jail cell it will eliminate itself.
 
nycfan said:
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I thought we eliminated fraud once Senator Rick Scott from Florida settled his Medicaid fraud case back in 2000

I'm not sure about waste and abuse...

Would that not go under the umbrella of fraud ? Rick Scott and his HCA abused the Medicaid system, and billions of dollars were wasted paying Rick Scott's scamming of Medicaid.

I think that problem has been solved :cool:
 
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superrific said:
I predicted a few months ago that Tillis and Collins would not be running for re-election in 2026. I'm 1 for 2 already. I still don't think Collins runs again. I do not believe that Mainers want more concern and worry; don't they want someone who will fight for them? Maine is surely devastated by the Canada feud. What is Collins going to do about that?
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Schiff and other Dems have been introducing amendment after amendment slowing the roll on a final vote. In addition, they got Pubs on record to vote against exceptions to SNAP and Medicaid for newborn babies and pregnant mothers. That's right - stealing food from tiny babies and pregnant mothers - campaign fodder. Also amendments that would protect rural hospitals in red states. It's finally good to see Dems fighting back.
 
Calheel said:
Senate passes 51-50 with Collins, Paul and Tillis voting no and Murkowski voting yes.
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Exactly as I thought. It's funny that Collins thinks this vote will save her. I don't know. Maybe Mainers are that stupid. One would think, though, that they would realize that they get screwed because the Pubs are in charge, and Collins voting no doesn't do shit. You have to get the majority and then none of this would happen.

It's amazing to me that her approval ratings aren't in the teens. She's such an embarrassment to that state, and she does absolutely nothing for it.
 
Calheel said:
Senate passes 51-50 with Collins, Paul and Tillis voting no and Murkowski voting yes.
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So Vance broke the tie ?

I assume it was pre-arranged to allow Collins to vote no because she is up for re-election next year. She would not have voted no without permission.

Murkowski could vote yes because she is not up for re-election until 2028
 
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heelinhell said:
So Vance broke the tie ?

I assume it was pre-arranged to allow Collins to vote no because she is up for re-election next year. Murkowski could vote yes because she is not up for re-election until 2028
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That seems likely.
 
IMO, there was no way this bill wasn't going to eventually pass. Congressional Republicans are totally spineless when it comes to Dear Leader, and they're all more afraid of getting primaried by some loon even further to the right than they are than they are of facing a Democratic opponent in the general election. 2 of the 3 Republicans who voted no consist of Tillis, who already announced that he's not running and who if he had was facing an uphill fight in a purple state, and Collins, who is facing a potentially tough reelection bid next year in a mostly blue state. Trump and Thune were always going to eventually get the votes they needed.
 
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