U.S. destroys Venezuelan vessels | Trump threatens Colombia

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“… Tensions had been simmering between Hegseth and Adm. Alvin Holsey for weeks before the admiral announced he was leaving, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN. Hegseth did not believe Holsey was moving quickly or aggressively enough to combat drug traffickers in the Caribbean, and he complained about not being given the information he needed about the operations, the sources said. But SOUTHCOM was concerned about the operations not being lawful, the sources added.

The tensions came to a head during a meeting between Hegseth, Holsey and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan Caine on October 6 at the Pentagon, one of the sources said. Holsey offered to resign during the meeting, the source said, but the idea was tabled and his departure was not announced until over a week later. His departure will also not be imminent — instead, he’ll retire at the end of the year.

The Pentagon’s spokesperson Sean Parnell denied on X that Holsey ever expressed reservations about the counter-narcotic mission in the Caribbean.…”
 
nycfan said:

The Pentagon’s spokesperson Sean Parnell denied on X that Holsey ever expressed reservations about the counter-narcotic mission in the Caribbean.…”
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This might be true, insofar as it is not actually a counter-narcotic mission at all.
 
rodoheel said:
I mean I'm mostly just messing with you. But obviously the question you asked is material to knowing how meaningful the answer is.
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You know me, right? I think you can be confident that I asked a useful question and tried not to bias the results.

Anyway, I'm sure there are all sorts of intermediate situations that maybe happened or didn't happen.

Heg: We have to take out these narco terrorists
Adm: What is the evidence that they are narco terrorists?
Heg: We have plenty of it.
Adm: Can I see it?
Heg: No.
Adm: So I can't be sure that the deployment is legal.
Heg: Nor can you be sure that it's illegal.
Adm: True. I resign.

This is of course both speculative and illustrative. I guess my instinct is that when a guy who easily could do the wrong thing stands up for what is right, I'm not going to criticize him for not being even more right -- especially when I don't know the facts.
 
nycfan said:
“… President Donald Trump's administration has informed Congress that the strikes are part of a U.S. war on narcoterrorism, raising the possibility that the strike survivors are the first prisoners of war in that campaign….”
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nycfan said:
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Why wouldn't Trump save time. energy, and our taxpayer dollars to follow his policy, order the execution of those two survivors, and toss them overboard ? I mean we murdered the other two fishermen with an expensive military bomb strike. The expense of murdering the other two with a shot to the head would be next to nothing. I don't get it.
 
heelinhell said:
Why wouldn't Trump save time. energy, and our taxpayer dollars to follow his policy, order the execution of those two survivors, and toss them overboard ? I mean we murdered the other two fishermen with an expensive military bomb strike. The expense of murdering the other two with a shot to the head would be next to nothing. I don't get it.
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Yeah agreed. Just a weird situation all the way around. Part of me wonders if the "survivors" aren't plants of some sort who are going to "confess" to this intricate drug-smuggling scheme running all the way to the top levels of the Venezuelan government.
 
rodoheel said:
Yeah agreed. Just a weird situation all the way around. Part of me wonders if the "survivors" aren't plants of some sort who are going to "confess" to this intricate drug-smuggling scheme running all the way to the top levels of the Venezuelan government.
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Or are tortured until they do.
 
A submarine? Really? How does a submarine help a drug smuggler? Eventually the drugs have to get to land, meaning that the submarine has to come up, and when it does, you know, it looks suspicious.

Maybe they are loading fentanyl into the torpedo tubes and firing them? LOL. These fucking assclowns.
 
rodoheel said:
The boats are still getting blown up in the Caribbean. So unless there are even worse orders that everyone is refusing to carry out, I'm not sure it's entirely correct to say the military is "holding strong." (I want to be clear that I don't mean that as a criticism of the people still in the military who are in a very difficult position.) I just don't see what retiring rather than executing the order does except ensure that another conscientious officer is out of the military to be replaced by people who have less compunction about following such orders.
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ANd his resignation doesn't take place till December. could be a lot of blown up boats before then.
 
superrific said:
A submarine? Really? How does a submarine help a drug smuggler? Eventually the drugs have to get to land, meaning that the submarine has to come up, and when it does, you know, it looks suspicious.

Maybe they are loading fentanyl into the torpedo tubes and firing them? LOL. These fucking assclowns.
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Believe it or not drug smuggling via submarines is a real thing. It was addressed during a CLE I attended several years ago.
 
superrific said:
A submarine? Really? How does a submarine help a drug smuggler? Eventually the drugs have to get to land, meaning that the submarine has to come up, and when it does, you know, it looks suspicious.

Maybe they are loading fentanyl into the torpedo tubes and firing them? LOL. These fucking assclowns.
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They meet surface ships off the coast.

en.wikipedia.org

Narco-submarine - Wikipedia

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