Ukraine War

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Think it will be hard to reach peace with Russia without budging on those two issues...and it certainly feels like there's not much political will for the war to continue. Russia will basically get what it wants (though at a much higher cost than it imagined).

Still think the Euro takeaway from all this is that they cannot rely on the US for defense. Think the NATO treaty has its days numbered.
 
CRHeel94 said:
Think it will be hard to reach peace with Russia without budging on those two issues...and it certainly feels like there's not much political will for the war to continue. Russia will basically get what it wants (though at a much higher cost than it imagined).

Still think the Euro takeaway from all this is that they cannot rely on the US for defense. Think the NATO treaty has its days numbered.
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I think the US stepped up (yea biden). I support continuing supplying ukrkaine. But, where and when does it end? Biden had years to head it off and negotiate a peace deal. Not surprisingly its still ongoing. Europe needs to carry the sack for a while.
 
nycfan said:
Ukraine doesn't have that kind of leverage — if Trump offers a deal and they say know, it won’t take long for him to end all US assistance. And I don’t see Europe stepping into that breach.
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We will soon see. It won't take long for Ukraine to either reject or accept the surrender forced upon them. Then we will know the true state of the situation. I am betting that they are in a better position to survive without U.S. aid then many think. Russia's military is pretty feable at this point. Their marginal land advances can be misleading.
 
Man. This is rough. I know we've been heading down this path for a while now but I think that history will look back on this betrayal of Ukraine as the formal end of Pax Americana and the United States' global leadership and our dominance economically, militarily, culturally for almost 8 decades. It's a bitter pill to swallow watching the U.S. completely sell out an ally and capitulate to Russia, and even more bitter to watch us needlessly and almost effortlessly forfeit our role atop the global hierarchy.
 
BlueSmoke said:
We will soon see. It won't take long for Ukraine to either reject or accept the surrender forced upon them. Then we will know the true state of the situation. I am betting that they are in a better position to survive without U.S. aid then many think. Russia's military is pretty feable at this point. Their marginal land advances can be misleading.
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I hope they tell Trump and Putin to eat shit and die, then Europe steps in with the resources to keep up the fight.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think the only reason they would consider agreeing to this is to stop having their people killed and because they are afraid that they are going to lose even more if the war goes on. Not saying now is that time for them sometimes you have to cut your losses.
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If Mexico invaded and occupied Texas, and Texans were dying, and the US was continuing to fight for our freedom and our fellow Americans, at what point would you say the US should cut our losses and let Mexico have Texas?
 
CFordUNC said:
Very few things shock and surprise me anymore, but I'll be forever shocked by the American Right's surrender to Russia. Would have never in a million years believed it.
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It has never been about anything but white identity politics from the American right. I know you once believed otherwise, but I suspect you've seen the light. Why would working class white people react so strongly to "socialism"? Because MLK was a communist and a socialist, according to them. The Civil Rights Movement was communism.
 
CFordUNC said:
Very few things shock and surprise me anymore, but I'll be forever shocked by the American Right's surrender to Russia. Would have never in a million years believed it.
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Considering the rhetoric of the Reagan years, I agree 100%. How times have changed. But, people who are only involved for financial gain will make a deal with the devil.
 
Callatoroy said:
You obviously don't speak Trump. That isn't what he meant but is a great example of how and why he is such a horrid speaker. He just has an inability and lack of awareness to think how his comments are going to be perceived. Either that or he just doesn't give a fuck and if its that, he makes things so much harder on himself than he needs to.
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I thought people voted for him because he says what he means. If he doesn't mean what he says, how is anyone to know if he really is bringing down egg prices or releasing his beautiful health care plan in 2 weeks? How is putin supposed to know? How are you?
 
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