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Calheel said:
Bill Self was pretty happy at Illinois before he left for Kansas
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Sure. It’s not going to surprise me if Lloyd or TJO takes our job either. I just think some people underrate how hard it is to get a guy to leave when he’s already in a good situation competing at the highest level. Look at UK’s coaching search if you need an example that a blue blood can’t just snap its fingers and get whoever it wants.

Also, Self had only been at Illinois 3 years and the KU program he took over was in much better shape than the current UNC program.
 
rodoheel said:
Sure. It’s not going to surprise me if Lloyd or TJO takes our job either. I just think some people underrate how hard it is to get a guy to leave when he’s already in a good situation competing at the highest level. Look at UK’s coaching search if you need an example that a blue blood can’t just snap its fingers and get whoever it wants.

Also, Self had only been at Illinois 3 years and the KU program he took over was in much better shape than the current UNC program.
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Sherrell said and I completely agree with him, this search is about getting the absolute best coach we can (2021 was about getting the best fit), and so, we'll see just how strong of a program we have - is it really the best job in MBB coaching, or not. It will be telling who we end up hiring and who turns us down.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Sherrell said and I completely agree with him, this search is about getting the absolute best coach we can (2021 was about getting the best fit), and so, we'll see just how strong of a program we have - is it really the best job in MBB coaching, or not. It will be telling who we end up hiring and who turns us down.
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Part of what I’m saying is UNC could be the best job in college bball, and it still wouldn’t guarantee us getting who we want. People act like it’s a math problem - that if a coach is in the 4th best job or the 7th best job and gets offered the best job he will automatically take it. But that’s not how it works in real life. TJO or Lloyd turning down our job doesn't mean their job is a better one, or that ours isn't as good as we hoped, it just might mean they are happy and successful where they are and don’t want to move to take ANY job right now.
 
rodoheel said:
Part of what I’m saying is UNC could be the best job in college bball, and it still wouldn’t guarantee us getting who we want. People act like it’s a math problem - that if a coach is in the 4th best job or the 7th best job and gets offered the best job he will automatically take it. But that’s not how it works in real life. TJO or Lloyd turning down our job doesn't mean their job is a better one, or that ours isn't as good as we hoped, it just might mean they are happy and successful where they are and don’t want to move to take ANY job right now.
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Right. The "best job" is based on the wants and needs of those seeking the jobs.
 
rodoheel said:
Part of what I’m saying is UNC could be the best job in college bball, and it still wouldn’t guarantee us getting who we want. People act like it’s a math problem - that if a coach is in the 4th best job or the 7th best job and gets offered the best job he will automatically take it. But that’s not how it works in real life. TJO or Lloyd turning down our job doesn't mean their job is a better one, or that ours isn't as good as we hoped, it just might mean they are happy and successful where they are and don’t want to move to take ANY job right now.
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Sure, but if we strike out on a few big names, I think it will say something about how Carolina basketball is viewed by the basketball community.
 
One of my biggest concerns about a potential quick firing of Coach Davis was "what happens if the coaching search falls flat?" It is not like we can invite him back if we get turned down by all of our top choices. We have to hire someone and it is possible that that someone does a worse job. (The prospect of hiring in the same year that Kentucky and Kansas are hiring is also concerning.

I don't know how these things work, but I hope the powers that be did some planning and assessment (and backchanneling?) of "who can we realistically get?" before making the call.

It seems like a bad coaching search and subsequent bad hire can really create a spiral that can do some serious damage to a program.
 
rodoheel said:
Sure. It’s not going to surprise me if Lloyd or TJO takes our job either. I just think some people underrate how hard it is to get a guy to leave when he’s already in a good situation competing at the highest level. Look at UK’s coaching search if you need an example that a blue blood can’t just snap its fingers and get whoever it wants.

Also, Self had only been at Illinois 3 years and the KU program he took over was in much better shape than the current UNC program.
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Kentucky was hampered by the fact that Calipari was chased out of town. Don’t think anyone will be discouraged by the fact that we fired Hubert.

I’m confident we will get someone a lot better than Mark Pope. We won’t be able to get whoever we want, but we won’t have to go very far down the list.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Sherrell said and I completely agree with him, this search is about getting the absolute best coach we can (2021 was about getting the best fit), and so, we'll see just how strong of a program we have - is it really the best job in MBB coaching, or not. It will be telling who we end up hiring and who turns us down.
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I disagree with that ignoring fit and getting the best coach. Using that logic, Golden would be tier 1, ethical concerns aside. Fit always plays a role. That’s not to say it’s more important than coaching, but it’s a major factor. Oats is another fit concern - great coach. Probably not a good fit.
 
rodoheel said:
I don't want Oats but this isn't right. Oats has six straight years with a 6 seed or better, 5 of 6 with a 4 seed or better, 5 of 6 with S16 or better, 5 of 6 finished in KenPom top 14, 3 of 6 finished in KenPom top 10. If that was Hubert's track record he would still be the coach here.
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I forgot about KenPom and the importance of seedings...my bad
 
mpaer said:
I don't know how highup the list we will be succesful.But I have faith our 2 ADs won't get Beamered
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You gotta be impressed that the first time in over 70 years that Caroilina does an open search for a BB coach, we have 2 ADs lined up.

That’s preparedness even a Boy Scout would appreciate.
 
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