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Calheel said:
A lot of people have said that. But brand and money for NIL are inextricably intertwined. How many no-brand schools are in the Final Four this year? How many were in the top 10 all year?

If anything, brands are more important now than ever.
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So why did the number #1 player choose BYU over other offers from dook**, UNC,,UCONN,,and kintuckee ? I'm guessing getting paid 7 million dollars to come to no-brand BYU might have been the reason...but I could be wrong.

I think the same is true regarding top tier coaches who are at successful programs already.
 
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heelinhell said:
So why did the number #1 player choose BYU over other offers from dook**, UNC,,UCONN,,and kintuckee ? I'm guessing getting paid 7 million dollars to come to no-brand BYU might have been the reason...but I could be wrong.

I think the same is true regarding top tier coaches who are at successful programs already.
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Well that is certainly a "case" !
 
Cadeau had one of the wildest good/bad stat lines you will ever see in a FF game. Worked vs Zona.
Won't vs UConn

But if you get great players, at some point you have to trust then and turn them loose.
 
I agree that brands don’t really matter that much anymore. If you get paid the same and can win at Arizona, why step into a pressure cooker like Carolina or dook? Would you take a new job in a new region with more pressure and similar pay?
 
Willy said:
I agree that brands don’t really matter that much anymore. If you get paid the same and can win at Arizona, why step into a pressure cooker like Carolina or dook? Would you take a new job in a new region with more pressure and similar pay?
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good questions but don't expect a response that addresses your questions...
 
Bigs23 said:
He said something about being allowed to play free, which is pretty similar, though not as specific. This must have been more of a practice/philosophy thing because I don't think we saw that in the games.
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I’ve heard Cadeau be passive aggressive about that in multiple postgame interviews going back to the fall. He seems to think he had a short leash under HD, especially shooting. Hard to argue against HD there, and he’s lucky he’s had enough talent at Michigan to not only get him freer shots but also to cover up for his lousy shooting nights.

Either way it’s petty of him to take little jabs like that and it supports my impression of him as a little weasel, especially with his floppy ref-baiting on-court antics.
 
duluoz said:
I’ve heard Cadeau be passive aggressive about that in multiple postgame interviews going back to the fall. He seems to think he had a short leash under HD, especially shooting. Hard to argue against HD there, and he’s lucky he’s had enough talent at Michigan to not only get him freer shots but also to cover up for his lousy shooting nights.

Either way it’s petty of him to take little jabs like that and it supports my impression of him as a little weasel, especially with his floppy ref-baiting on-court antics.
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It's not a good look at all but when the parents act that way too it's not surprising.
 
Without guessing WHO the new coach might be, what's your best guess on WHEN an announcement will be made? How soon after the final game is played? Tomorrow? Wednesday or some other day later this week?
Next week?
After the portal declaration window has closed, April 21?
Maybe at halftime of tonight's game?
August?
 
Centerpiece said:
Without guessing WHO the new coach might be, what's your best guess on WHEN an announcement will be made? How soon after the final game is played? Tomorrow? Wednesday or some other day later this week?
Next week?
After the portal declaration window has closed, April 21?
Maybe at halftime of tonight's game?
August?
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End of the week.
 
heelinhell said:
So why did the number #1 player choose BYU over other offers from dook**, UNC,,UCONN,,and kintuckee ? I'm guessing getting paid 7 million dollars to come to no-brand BYU might have been the reason...but I could be wrong.

I think the same is true regarding top tier coaches who are at successful programs already.
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I agree.

Doesn't he also live in Utah?
 
Willy said:
I agree that brands don’t really matter that much anymore. If you get paid the same and can win at Arizona, why step into a pressure cooker like Carolina or dook? Would you take a new job in a new region with more pressure and similar pay?
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I would not.
 
Let me premise this by saying it's waaaaaaay too early for me to even be thinking about "I told you so's." However... so far this coaching search is going exactly how I feared... and precisely why I was hesitant to see the trigger pulled on HD.

Biiiiiiiiig swing and a miss on all our Tier 1 options. Stevens politely turns us down before we can even really start. Lloyd leverages our offer for negotiations. May does not seem to even consider us.

Now on to Billy D... at first glance he sounds like a slam dunk option. But when you dig in, he's been unsuccessful in the NBA pro model, hasn’t coached in college in 10+ years, and arguably almost all the top tier coaches from his era have retired (many well before their time), because of inability and/or unwillingness to adapt to the pro model at the college level.

Add on to this that Billy D is making public comments about not being willing to start conversation until the NBA season is over in a week and the transfer portal opening tomorrow. Even if we do get Billy D, coming from the NBA he comes with zero current players transferring to stay with him... and zero pipeline with any current high school or foreign players.

I'm hoping Tanner is staying busy while this circus is playing out, but we are already tap dancing on the line of next year being a throw-away season... and there is still not a visible path for who our next coach will be.

If we swing and miss on Billy D as well (or give up on waiting out the next week), next up apparently is Byington or McCollum. Both intriguing options, but neither a slam dunk. And frankly, we have no idea whether they want this job or (similar to TJO) would prefer to do their thing somewhere where they get constant fan and admin adoration for what they do... whereas at UNC every time they fart in public there will be 27 articles and multiple 100+ page fan threads on maybe they are not the right person for the job.

So way too early for "I told you so's"? Absolutely. But going exactly as I feared so far? Absolutely.
 
Willy said:
I agree that brands don’t really matter that much anymore. If you get paid the same and can win at Arizona, why step into a pressure cooker like Carolina or dook? Would you take a new job in a new region with more pressure and similar pay?
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Brands still matter, even if they don't matter as much as they used to.

Arizona and MIchigan are top 10-15 programs, they are traditionally very good programs in CBB. It was always going to be hard to poach their coaches if they decided they wanted to keep them. But in order to fend off Carolina, Arizona just had to promise it's coach a very significant raise, a very significant increase in NIL, and create a unique arrangement where the basketball coach now reports directly to the university president rather than the AD. How many schools do you think could push a fairly high level program into doing all of that to retain their coach? Not many.

We'll have to see who we end up with at the end of the search, but there's nothing to suggest that "brands don't really matter anymore".
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
Let me premise this by saying it's waaaaaaay too early for me to even be thinking about "I told you so's." However... so far this coaching search is going exactly how I feared... and precisely why I was hesitant to see the trigger pulled on HD.

Biiiiiiiiig swing and a miss on all our Tier 1 options. Stevens politely turns us down before we can even really start. Lloyd leverages our offer for negotiations. May does not seem to even consider us.

Now on to Billy D... at first glance he sounds like a slam dunk option. But when you dig in, he's been unsuccessful in the NBA pro model, hasn’t coached in college in 10+ years, and arguably almost all the top tier coaches from his era have retired (many well before their time), because of inability and/or unwillingness to adapt to the pro model at the college level.

Add on to this that Billy D is making public comments about not being willing to start conversation until the NBA season is over in a week and the transfer portal opening tomorrow. Even if we do get Billy D, coming from the NBA he comes with zero current players transferring to stay with him... and zero pipeline with any current high school or foreign players.

I'm hoping Tanner is staying busy while this circus is playing out, but we are already tap dancing on the line of next year being a throw-away season... and there is still not a visible path for who our next coach will be.

If we swing and miss on Billy D as well (or give up on waiting out the next week), next up apparently is Byington or McCollum. Both intriguing options, but neither a slam dunk. And frankly, we have no idea whether they want this job or (similar to TJO) would prefer to do their thing somewhere where they get constant fan and admin adoration for what they do... whereas at UNC every time they fart in public there will be 27 articles and multiple 100+ page fan threads on maybe they are not the right person for the job.

So way too early for "I told you so's"? Absolutely. But going exactly as I feared so far? Absolutely.
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This echos a lot of my feelings. But when you say "I told you so," you're talking to fans who wanted HD gone no matter what happened next. So even if it turns out to be an utter disaster, they still got what they wanted.

My prediction from the beginning was that it would be BD who ended up with the job and, for me that gets a very unexcited meh. I would be much more excited if it's a Byington or McCollum. I think they would come in with the drive to be successful that you need to compete at a big time program.

I know you said it's waaaay too early, but you really can't assess how successful the transition is until happens and then look back at the whole picture retrospectively. The timing is still at a point where it would be very reasonable to be making the new hire. We just don't know yet if this process is a success or not. I'm very skeptical, but I'll wait to see how it all turns out in the end.
 
PTOHeel said:
This echos a lot of my feelings. But when you say "I told you so," you're talking to fans who wanted HD gone no matter what happened next. So even if it turns out to be an utter disaster, they still got what they wanted.

My prediction from the beginning was that it would be BD who ended up with the job and, for me that gets a very unexcited meh. I would be much more excited if it's a Byington or McCollum. I think they would come in with the drive to be successful that you need to compete at a big time program.

I know you said it's waaaay too early, but you really can't assess how successful the transition is until happens and then look back at the whole picture retrospectively. The timing is still at a point where it would be very reasonable to be making the new hire. We just don't know yet if this process is a success or not. I'm very skeptical, but I'll wait to see how it all turns out in the end.
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Feel the same way about Donavan. I would rather them take a chance with Byington or McCollum now because they have showed they can be successful with less talent and NIL than UNC usually gets.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
Let me premise this by saying it's waaaaaaay too early for me to even be thinking about "I told you so's." However... so far this coaching search is going exactly how I feared... and precisely why I was hesitant to see the trigger pulled on HD.

Biiiiiiiiig swing and a miss on all our Tier 1 options. Stevens politely turns us down before we can even really start. Lloyd leverages our offer for negotiations. May does not seem to even consider us.

Now on to Billy D... at first glance he sounds like a slam dunk option. But when you dig in, he's been unsuccessful in the NBA pro model, hasn’t coached in college in 10+ years, and arguably almost all the top tier coaches from his era have retired (many well before their time), because of inability and/or unwillingness to adapt to the pro model at the college level.

Add on to this that Billy D is making public comments about not being willing to start conversation until the NBA season is over in a week and the transfer portal opening tomorrow. Even if we do get Billy D, coming from the NBA he comes with zero current players transferring to stay with him... and zero pipeline with any current high school or foreign players.

I'm hoping Tanner is staying busy while this circus is playing out, but we are already tap dancing on the line of next year being a throw-away season... and there is still not a visible path for who our next coach will be.

If we swing and miss on Billy D as well (or give up on waiting out the next week), next up apparently is Byington or McCollum. Both intriguing options, but neither a slam dunk. And frankly, we have no idea whether they want this job or (similar to TJO) would prefer to do their thing somewhere where they get constant fan and admin adoration for what they do... whereas at UNC every time they fart in public there will be 27 articles and multiple 100+ page fan threads on maybe they are not the right person for the job.

So way too early for "I told you so's"? Absolutely. But going exactly as I feared so far? Absolutely.
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As I said at the time, changing coaches always presents risk, and we had no guarantee whatsoever of getting an elite coach. Anyone who thought otherwise is foolish. We won't know the full story of this coaching search until it's over, and a real referendum will have to wait at least multiple years. But personally, no matter how poorly the coaching search goes, it will not change my mind one bit about the decision to part ways with Hubert. It was clear (to me) that we were not going to become an elite program again with Hubert as the coach. We may not under the next coach, either, but if not we'll fire that guy and start over again. That's how it goes.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
Let me premise this by saying it's waaaaaaay too early for me to even be thinking about "I told you so's." However... so far this coaching search is going exactly how I feared... and precisely why I was hesitant to see the trigger pulled on HD.

Biiiiiiiiig swing and a miss on all our Tier 1 options. Stevens politely turns us down before we can even really start. Lloyd leverages our offer for negotiations. May does not seem to even consider us.

Now on to Billy D... at first glance he sounds like a slam dunk option. But when you dig in, he's been unsuccessful in the NBA pro model, hasn’t coached in college in 10+ years, and arguably almost all the top tier coaches from his era have retired (many well before their time), because of inability and/or unwillingness to adapt to the pro model at the college level.

Add on to this that Billy D is making public comments about not being willing to start conversation until the NBA season is over in a week and the transfer portal opening tomorrow. Even if we do get Billy D, coming from the NBA he comes with zero current players transferring to stay with him... and zero pipeline with any current high school or foreign players.

I'm hoping Tanner is staying busy while this circus is playing out, but we are already tap dancing on the line of next year being a throw-away season... and there is still not a visible path for who our next coach will be.

If we swing and miss on Billy D as well (or give up on waiting out the next week), next up apparently is Byington or McCollum. Both intriguing options, but neither a slam dunk. And frankly, we have no idea whether they want this job or (similar to TJO) would prefer to do their thing somewhere where they get constant fan and admin adoration for what they do... whereas at UNC every time they fart in public there will be 27 articles and multiple 100+ page fan threads on maybe they are not the right person for the job.

So way too early for "I told you so's"? Absolutely. But going exactly as I feared so far? Absolutely.
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I definitely think it’s waaay too early to panic about this search. This is what an actual coaching search looks like when you have high standards for your candidates. We UNC fans aren’t used to a true coaching search like that. Since most of us have been following UNC hoops, we saw an assistant take over for our retiring head coach, then a search that was limited to only UNC alums, then Roy Williams waiting in the wings, then an assistant taking over for a retiring head coach. Now we’re actually conducting a real search without limiting the candidates to just UNC alums and going after what appear to be the most highly qualified viable candidates. Some of those candidates are either still coaching right now or just finished their seasons within roughly the last two weeks.

And Stevens was never a real option. It’s pointless be be bothered by not getting him. That was never really in play and just as likely as getting Dean Smith’s ghost to coach us. It’s also a significant long shot to land a coach who is coaching a major program in the Final Four and has no connections to the hiring school. Worth taking a shot, but the odds of it happening are very low.

Some people will be happy with who we end up hiring and other people won’t be (unless it’s miraculously Dusty May, which I would not expect). But there is no real indication right now that we are running into problems with our search. The only real issue is fans’ expectations of what a search is supposed to look like.
 
PTOHeel said:
This echos a lot of my feelings. But when you say "I told you so," you're talking to fans who wanted HD gone no matter what happened next. So even if it turns out to be an utter disaster, they still got what they wanted.

My prediction from the beginning was that it would be BD who ended up with the job and, for me that gets a very unexcited meh. I would be much more excited if it's a Byington or McCollum. I think they would come in with the drive to be successful that you need to compete at a big time program.

I know you said it's waaaay too early, but you really can't assess how successful the transition is until happens and then look back at the whole picture retrospectively. The timing is still at a point where it would be very reasonable to be making the new hire. We just don't know yet if this process is a success or not. I'm very skeptical, but I'll wait to see how it all turns out in the end.
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Agree 100% on everything you said. Byington and McCollum are big risks to me, but better options than BD. I also agree that we are still well within the timeframe of a reasonable, well conducted coaching search.

However, we got off on the back foot because the PTB made the decision to punt and give HD another year... and then after the last game let the angry mob change their minds.

If we were going to make a change, the decision should have been made before the ACCT ever started, and quiet behind the scenes convos should have been happening for weeks before they started. Publicly initiating convos in the middle of a tournament run killed any chances we might have had with Lloyd and May IMO. If I was in their shoes, the way we handled this would have been a showstopper for me.
 
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