UNC @ Charlotte

heel79 said:
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I am sure kitchens and BB could explain the logic. Some have said we are being very vanilla and will break out more stuff later. Gio still learning system. Also could be when we try something again we are trying to fix mistake. I hated the 4th and 1 pass as I thought we were in position to wear them down. I just think kitchens and BB know more than me. And you. I have been surprised by number of buddies who believe they know more than BB.
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Oh sorry, I missed the part were I said I know more than BB. I'll go back and edit my post...
 
The three and outs are concerning. If you're going to play grind-it-out ball control offense, you need to avoid quick punts.
 
Not sure why anyone would think that it’s out of line to question Kitchens as OC. He only has about a season and a half’s worth experience calling plays for his entire career and wasn’t exactly the second coming of Bill Walsh when he did have the chance.

In any case, I can at least understand why the play calling would be super bland early in the season. Very limited amount of time to install a system with a new QB and new players means that they are probably handcuffed to some very basic plays for now. I am skeptical about how much improvement we’ll actually see on that side of the ball throughout the season.
 
Yall that saw improvement saw something I did not see. I saw us beat a team that would be down by 4-5 touchdowns in the first 20 mins against TCU with the final score only decided by how bad TCU wanted to run it up.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Yall that saw improvement saw something I did not see. I saw us beat a team that would be down by 4-5 touchdowns in the first 20 mins against TCU with the final score only decided by how bad TCU wanted to run it up.
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I think we tend to see what we want to see. I wanted to see improvement. No TOs. No drops. Fewer penalties. Better tackling. Gio extending plays. Yes. Charlotte is bad.
 
heel79 said:
What BB has is mack's leftover marginal players, the best ones having bolted, and a 70 new players that were quickly assembled out of a need for bodies. It will be a process. Recruiting is in a definite uptick. Best way to watch UNC is to consider TCU the before and watch the after come into focus. I would be concerned if I thought BB was not completely engaged. He is. Sit back and watch a program being built.
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He was paid a lot of money to construct a roster. He and his expensive staff made all the personnel decisions that led to this roster. I am not giving him a pass on anything.

Indiana constructed a roster out of nothing last year and made the playoffs. Bill better get the shipped turned around this year.
 
A bit unfair comparison as Cignetti brought with him from James Madison six assistant coaches and 13 players (eight starters) so he had a strong core group to work with.
 
Pretty much all of UNCC's stats were considerable better against UNC than against App State in week 1. If UNCC is as bad as we all believe, App St is a better football team than UNC.
 
Ramrouser said:
A bit unfair comparison as Cignetti brought with him from James Madison six assistant coaches and 13 players (eight starters) so he had a strong core group to work with.
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We also have 3x the player personnel budget that Cignetti had at Indiana. We could have raided 22 starters from good G5 programs if we wanted. There is no excuse for not having talent in year 1 with the funds made available to Belichick.
 
Peppers49 said:
Not sure why anyone would think that it’s out of line to question Kitchens as OC. He only has about a season and a half’s worth experience calling plays for his entire career and wasn’t exactly the second coming of Bill Walsh when he did have the chance.

In any case, I can at least understand why the play calling would be super bland early in the season. Very limited amount of time to install a system with a new QB and new players means that they are probably handcuffed to some very basic plays for now. I am skeptical about how much improvement we’ll actually see on that side of the ball throughout the season.
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I lived through Freddie Kitchens tenure with the Browns up close and personal when I lived in Cleveland. He went from QB coach to interim head coach and he was a complete disaster. I am still astonished he is Belichick's OC.
 
farce© said:
I lived through Freddie Kitchens tenure with the Browns up close and personal when I lived in Cleveland. He went from QB coach to interim head coach and he was a complete disaster. I am still astonished he is Belichick's OC.
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They played better when he was OC than they had previously in the year. Idk.

I have to believe that there is a method to the madness, because it is just hard to comprehend some of these decisions and we know that the decision-makers are not stupid. And maybe I don't know enough football to appreciate it . . . except that people who do know football are also failing to appreciate it.

The USMNT in soccer hired a universally well-regarded head coach and that shit ain't getting better. Who knows, there are extenuating circumstances there but still the team doesn't seem competitive at times against any decent team.

I don't know how or why the elite decision-makers seemingly everywhere have become idiots.
 
superrific said:
I have to believe that there is a method to the madness, because it is just hard to comprehend some of these decisions and we know that the decision-makers are not stupid. And maybe I don't know enough football to appreciate it . . . except that people who do know football are also failing to appreciate it.
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I think there is a very simple and logical explanation for many, if not most, of Belichick's hires: he hired people he knew, and people he knew would do whatever he told them to do. Lombardi, who I think is a total clown; Kitchens; Bill's own kids, and his friends' kids. Aside from a few position coaches here or there, that's basically how our staff was created. I don't think Belichick is stupid, but he's 73 and has always been pretty obviously egotistical. It's perfectly fine to be egotistical when you're backing it up with results - for years there it really didn't seem to matter who Belichick brought in as his coordinators, as long as they were guys Belichick was comfortable with - but Belichick hasn't been doing that for several years now. So no, I don't think hiring Kitchens is some galaxy-brain move and suddenly when Clemson comes to town we're going to break out the "real" offense or something. I think Bill simply hired someone he already knew, with a preexisting connection to UNC, who would never question Bill and execute what he was asked without complaint. Maybe he also believed Kitchens would be a good OC, but I really doubt he evaluated that rigorously.

So in sum, I don't think Belichick suddenly became an idiot, but I do think the combination of his ego and his advancing age have led him to make some questionable hires that were based more on getting people who would execute his commands than getting people who would bring independent merit to the table.
 
I'm not reading 13 pages about a game that's already passed, but I'm pretty secure in saying that the issues on offense are mostly coaching and the issues on defense are mostly talent.
 
rodoheel said:
I think there is a very simple and logical explanation for many, if not most, of Belichick's hires: he hired people he knew, and people he knew would do whatever he told them to do. Lombardi, who I think is a total clown; Kitchens; Bill's own kids, and his friends' kids. Aside from a few position coaches here or there, that's basically how our staff was created. I don't think Belichick is stupid, but he's 73 and has always been pretty obviously egotistical. It's perfectly fine to be egotistical when you're backing it up with results - for years there it really didn't seem to matter who Belichick brought in as his coordinators, as long as they were guys Belichick was comfortable with - but Belichick hasn't been doing that for several years now. So no, I don't think hiring Kitchens is some galaxy-brain move and suddenly when Clemson comes to town we're going to break out the "real" offense or something. I think Bill simply hired someone he already knew, with a preexisting connection to UNC, who would never question Bill and execute what he was asked without complaint. Maybe he also believed Kitchens would be a good OC, but I really doubt he evaluated that rigorously.

So in sum, I don't think Belichick suddenly became an idiot, but I do think the combination of his ego and his advancing age have led him to make some questionable hires that were based more on getting people who would execute his commands than getting people who would bring independent merit to the table.
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well, that and most of his first choices turned him down. it was pretty clear by who got individual celebratory posts from UNC Football's social media (Steve, Friend, Preifer) and who got soft-launched in a "here's the staff" graphic (most of the first-timers, Brian, Freddie) that we've got a lot of Bill's not-first-choice guys on staff because he doesn't have the pull he thinks he does among his colleagues.
 
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