UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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rodoheel said:
Heck, the year might feel different if we kept Ryan Browne instead of throwing him back and taking Lopez. But while the QB is important, I think it's a fallacy to think that if you get the QB right, you can afford to miss elsewhere. You don't just need a QB. If we had a better QB right now we might have some slightly closer losses but we wouldn't have a different record.
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Closer losses would make a huge difference in how this year feels.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
No idea how truly realistic all of these openings are, but yeah -- there are some really good jobs coming available
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Bud helps inform a lot of my CFB takes lol. He thinks highly of what UNC football could look like if we made a serious coaching hire, but he’s been about as exasperated as a lot of our fans with how we dragged our feet moving on from Mack and then whatever it is we’re doing with Belichick.
 
takingAdookie said:
I agree with the homie who said spend on players and not these expensive coaches. Making less and less sense now that we can pay players.
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Here’s the thing, we did spend on players and we hired coaches not worth their salary. The problem is there are 2 guys evaluating them, 1 is and always has been a clown and the other is well past his prime and doesn’t know it.
 


Can honestly say in all of my years around college athletics I’ve never seen the chancellor or the athletic director ever attend a routine weekly coach’s press conference
 


This excuse pisses me off so much. He did not come in late. He hired a staff late. There is a massive difference in the two. He fired the entire previous staff without having the next staff lined up. But he did not come in late. He came in on the exact same day as two other head coaches that were hired at two other programs. He came in exactly 3 days after Scott Frost, who managed to put together a roster good enough to kick the fuck out of UNC but somehow not good enough to beat anyone else with a pulse.
 
uncjhodges said:
Here’s the thing, we did spend on players and we hired coaches not worth their salary. The problem is there are 2 guys evaluating them, 1 is and always has been a clown and the other is well past his prime and doesn’t know it.
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Exactly, homie. So why pay that much for a new set of coaches and staff that might put us back in the same boat? Get some young football coaching studs in here who want to earn the big paychecks and let them eval and spend the money on stud players. I don't see any incentives hiring these old worn out and recycled coaches who have been fired. Change is good in todays CFB landscape.
 
takingAdookie said:
Exactly, homie. So why pay that much for a new set of coaches and staff that might put us back in the same boat?
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Because coaching does still matter and we’re already one of the bottom two power conference programs in the country right. It literally couldn’t be worse.

Also, no young stud coaches worth their salt are going to come here to work as assistants next season under a lame duck head coach that has no clue what he’s doing.

I agree in general that it’s smarter to prioritize allocating money to the roster than the staff, especially when the staff is this incompetent.
 


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Serious college football coaches often put out 13 word statements just for clarification on Wednesday nights at 10 PM to address baseless and completely unfounded social media rumors!
 
Peppers49 said:
You can’t do this to yourself man lol. Belichick might suck at coaching now but he still knows how to put on a masterclass word salad press conference.
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Oh no, I know! It’s not really bothering me as much as I’m just enjoying pointing out the bullshit, to no one in particular.
 
CFordUNC said:


Lord have mercy, if this is the process working 100%, God Almighty I would be terrified to see what it looks like if the process wasn’t working.
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Belichick's record:

Cleveland Browns: 37-45

New York Jets: served one day, announced resignation at his hiring press conference

New England Patriots with Brady as starting QB: 249-75

New England Patriots with someone other than Brady as starting QB: 34-50

His process works, as long as he has the sport's greatest quarterback.
 
rebeltarheel0408 said:
Belichick's record:

Cleveland Browns: 37-45

New York Jets: served one day, announced resignation at his hiring press conference

New England Patriots with Brady as starting QB: 249-75

New England Patriots with someone other than Brady as starting QB: 34-50

His process works, as long as he has the sport's greatest quarterback.
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You bring up a great point. I wonder how many coaches who've won a lot and a lot of hardware did it without having several of the current best players on their teams?
 
stankeylegjones said:
You bring up a great point. I wonder how many coaches who've won a lot and a lot of hardware did it without having several of the current best players on their teams?
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I will say, even though my dislike of him is obviously widely known on this thread by now, I definitely acknowledge that Belichick was a co-architect of the New England Patriots Dynasty alongside Tom Brady. Neither one of them wins six Super Bowls without the other. I do sincerely believe that it is looking more and more like it was probably 60 to 70% Brady, 30 to 40% Belichick, but that’s certainly nothing to sneeze at. Heck, you could even make the argument that those first two or three Super Bowls that they won were predominantly because of the defense Belichick ran- I’m specifically remembering what he did to the “Greatest Show on Turf” for that first one. Absolute clinic. After the second one is really when Brady went from good to great to generational, and that’s really when the New England Patriots truly became the Death Star.

Belichick was fortunate that a guy like Tom Brady came along and was willing to tolerate not only how much of an asshole Bill is, but was also willing to forgo major salaries for the good of the team in terms of being able to sign better personnel. Without Brady, Belichick is probably remembered as a defensive genius, winner of a couple of Super Bowls, a damn good ball coach, but nothing out of this world extraordinary. And without Belichick, Brady probably doesn’t have nearly as many opportunities to play with elite defenses.

But I do think it is becoming more and more clear that Belichick is not some other worldly Football Savant, but rather a very good X and O ball coach who became one of the most accomplished coaches in NFL history because he was fortuitously paired with the greatest quarterback in NFL history.
 
CFordUNC said:
I will say, even though my dislike of him is obviously widely known on this thread by now, I definitely acknowledge that Belichick was a co-architect of the New England Patriots Dynasty alongside Tom Brady. Neither one of them wins six Super Bowls without the other. I do sincerely believe that it is looking more and more like it was probably 60 to 70% Brady, 30 to 40% Belichick, but that’s certainly nothing to sneeze at. Heck, you could even make the argument that those first two or three Super Bowls that they won were predominantly because of the defense Belichick ran- I’m specifically remembering what he did to the “Greatest Show on Turf” for that first one. Absolute clinic. After the second one is really when Brady went from good to great to generational, and that’s really when the New England Patriots truly became the Death Star.

Belichick was fortunate that a guy like Tom Brady came along and was willing to tolerate not only how much of an asshole Bill is, but was also willing to forgo major salaries for the good of the team in terms of being able to sign better personnel. Without Brady, Belichick is probably remembered as a defensive genius, winner of a couple of Super Bowls, a damn good ball coach, but nothing out of this world extraordinary. And without Belichick, Brady probably doesn’t have nearly as many opportunities to play with elite defenses.

But I do think it is becoming more and more clear that Belichick is not some other worldly Football Savant, but rather a very good X and O ball coach who became one of the most accomplished coaches in NFL history because he was fortuitously paired with the greatest quarterback in NFL history.
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I tend to agree with you. I still believe Jimmy V was right about the x's and o's...
 
CFordUNC said:
I will say, even though my dislike of him is obviously widely known on this thread by now, I definitely acknowledge that Belichick was a co-architect of the New England Patriots Dynasty alongside Tom Brady. Neither one of them wins six Super Bowls without the other. I do sincerely believe that it is looking more and more like it was probably 60 to 70% Brady, 30 to 40% Belichick, but that’s certainly nothing to sneeze at. Heck, you could even make the argument that those first two or three Super Bowls that they won were predominantly because of the defense Belichick ran- I’m specifically remembering what he did to the “Greatest Show on Turf” for that first one. Absolute clinic. After the second one is really when Brady went from good to great to generational, and that’s really when the New England Patriots truly became the Death Star.

Belichick was fortunate that a guy like Tom Brady came along and was willing to tolerate not only how much of an asshole Bill is, but was also willing to forgo major salaries for the good of the team in terms of being able to sign better personnel. Without Brady, Belichick is probably remembered as a defensive genius, winner of a couple of Super Bowls, a damn good ball coach, but nothing out of this world extraordinary. And without Belichick, Brady probably doesn’t have nearly as many opportunities to play with elite defenses.
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As a Rams fan who was extremely disappointed by that loss to the Pats, I have to say: Martz blew it. He didn't run Faulk hardly at all. He was the best player on the field! Martz was a guy whose ego was just as big as BB, but could never back it up. That said, it was a pretty good defense, I will grant that.

The second time he beat the Rams, that was an ugly as fuck game. The Rams never had anything going at all. That was a defensive clinic.

I don't think BB's success or lack of success at UNC has anything to say about whether it was 70% Brady or 30% Brady or what have you. As you have pointed so many times so clearly, college and pros is just a different beast. That used to be well known. I wonder if the way the college game has gradually adopted pro rules has fooled people into thinking it's more or less the same game. It has fooled me a little, though I watch so little football these days I'm pretty easily fooled.
 
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