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stankeylegjones said:
I can’t see Bubba being complicit in breaking the rules. Something like that would involve tax fraud, money laundering, and other crimes, I would think.
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Agree. There remain people who follow rules. Cunningham strikes me as one who would. But we have been in eat your own mode now since second half of TCU.
 
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wmheel1287 said:
Yall keep thinking we are above or different all you like. It simply is not true.
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I don't think Bubba, and many many more in the AD, is the type of person that would willingly break the law, along with NCAA guidelines. If you do, why do you want him, and anyone else doing the same things, employed by UNC? Why are you fine with this?
 
stankeylegjones said:
I don't think Bubba, and many many more in the AD, is the type of person that would willingly break the law, along with NCAA guidelines. If you do, why do you want him, and anyone else doing the same things, employed by UNC? Why are you fine with this?
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I understand the sausage of collegiate athletics as it exists right now. Either I have to accept the way that sausage is made or stop paying attention to collegiate athletics altogether. Pretending the sausage is tofu isn't going to work when I can see and hear the pigs squealing as they go into the grinder.

You want to test my theory...call the Ram's Club on Monday and offer to pledge $1 Million to be paid to the football roster for next season for someone in the portal. Make it clear that you don't have a business or need the person to do any NIL work, etc. See if they decline the money. By your theory, they must because we are already maxed out at what we can pay directly without going through the clearninghouse.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I understand the sausage of collegiate athletics as it exists right now. Either I have to accept the way that sausage is made or stop paying attention to collegiate athletics altogether. Pretending the sausage is tofu isn't going to work when I can see and hear the pigs squealing as they go into the grinder.

You want to test my theory...call the Ram's Club on Monday and offer to pledge $1 Million to be paid to the football roster for next season for someone in the portal. Make it clear that you don't have a business or need the person to do any NIL work, etc. See if they decline the money. By your theory, they must because we are already maxed out at what we can pay directly without going through the clearninghouse.
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My understanding is that they wouldn't have to decline the money, as it would not count towards the 20.5 cap of money paid directly by the university to players. They would have to get it cleared by the GO clearinghouse though, as they're a third party, and it would be an NIL payment. There is a difference between being creative for NIL purposes and hiding rev share payments.
 
stankeylegjones said:
My understanding is that they wouldn't have to decline the money, as it would not count towards the 20.5 cap of money paid directly by the university to players. They would have to get it cleared by the GO clearinghouse though, as they're a third party, and it would be an NIL payment. There is a difference between being creative for NIL purposes and hiding rev share payments.
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To me there really.is not. 90% of what is going through the clearinghouse is a sham.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I understand the sausage of collegiate athletics as it exists right now. Either I have to accept the way that sausage is made or stop paying attention to collegiate athletics altogether. Pretending the sausage is tofu isn't going to work when I can see and hear the pigs squealing as they go into the grinder.
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I don't agree with the "everyone is doing it so I'm fine with our folks breaking the law too," mindset.
 
wmheel1287 said:
To me there really.is not. 90% of what is going through the clearinghouse is a sham.
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According to the settlement there is a difference. Rev share payments are directly paid by the university, NIL payments are from third-party sources and must be cleared. There is a cap on rev share monies, not on NIL. For UNC to spend more for its players than the 20.5 million would mean that they are willingly not following the guidelines and (most likely) breaking the law. I simply don't think Bubba would be for this, nor do I think there are folks in the AD that are currently doing this. I understand you think there are, and that Bubba is complicit in this practice (as he'd have to know what is going on, given his position). I just don't understand how you're okay with it, even if everyone else is doing it.
 
stankeylegjones said:
NIL is not the same as rev share. Schools can pay athletes directly via rev shares, and the total amount distributed is capped. NIL is not capped, nor is it directly from the school - it's through outside business entities.

My point to Calheel was that UNC can spend (around) 20.5 million / year, this year, on its athletes, and they are. They cannot spend more than that, without breaking guidelines/cheating, which I don't think they'd do. So, paying a coach 10 million / year or paying a coach $1 / year won't affect UNC's spending on players - schools can't spend more than the rev share cap. Of course, you can adjust the allocations of that 20.5 million, but that is a different argument, one which still would not be dependent on the coaching staff's price tag.
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Do you think schools are not coordinating and negotiating NIL? Of course they are.

To be clear, we are not paying above the rev share number under the name rev share. But we absolutely are paying the equivalent of rev share under the name of NIL.

To compare it to politics, NIL is like a Super PAC, except the rules governing coordination between the PAC and the campaign simply aren't enforced when it comes to NIL and the school. In fact, the schools are the ones running NIL and doing the fund raising. The booster club days are no more.
 
stankeylegjones said:
According to the settlement there is a difference. Rev share payments are directly paid by the university, NIL payments are from third-party sources and must be cleared. There is a cap on rev share monies, not on NIL. For UNC to spend more for its players than the 20.5 million would mean that they are willingly not following the guidelines and (most likely) breaking the law. I simply don't think Bubba would be for this, nor do I think there are folks in the AD that are currently doing this. I understand you think there are, and that Bubba is complicit in this practice (as he'd have to know what is going on, given his position). I just don't understand how you're okay with it, even if everyone else is doing it.
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Oh you sweet, sweet summer child.

I've got bad news for you about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too.
 
stankeylegjones said:
ev share payments are directly paid by the university, NIL payments are from third-party sources and must be cleared. There is a cap on rev share monies, not on NIL. For UNC to spend more for its players than the 20.5 million would mean that they are willingly not following the guidelines and (most likely)
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Not an arguement here. A question
Why would "clearinghouse approved " NIL be a violation. Keep in mind I am including the clearinghouse includes Collective $
I generally have faith in the 14 mil salary discussed for this years Basketball program Maybe we have 5-6 in rev Share. The rest is NIL-which in the Collective's case is basically Athletic dept money raised by the Collective
 
stankeylegjones said:
According to the settlement there is a difference. Rev share payments are directly paid by the university, NIL payments are from third-party sources and must be cleared. There is a cap on rev share monies, not on NIL. For UNC to spend more for its players than the 20.5 million would mean that they are willingly not following the guidelines and (most likely) breaking the law. I simply don't think Bubba would be for this, nor do I think there are folks in the AD that are currently doing this. I understand you think there are, and that Bubba is complicit in this practice (as he'd have to know what is going on, given his position). I just don't understand how you're okay with it, even if everyone else is doing it.
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You can call the clearinghouse mo ey whatever you like but it is 100% raised by the university, coordinated by them, packaged to pass a bare sniff test without actually being for any remote NIL purpose, and then paid to the athletes.
 
Calheel said:
Do you think schools are not coordinating and negotiating NIL? Of course they are.

To be clear, we are not paying above the rev share number under the name rev share. But we absolutely are paying the equivalent of rev share under the name of NIL.

To compare it to politics, NIL is like a Super PAC, except the rules governing coordination between the PAC and the campaign simply aren't enforced when it comes to NIL and the school. In fact, the schools are the ones running NIL and doing the fund raising. The booster club days are no more.
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I agree, and I've never said otherwise. To be clear, any money paid directly by the university to an athlete counts towards the rev share cap. Being creative through third-party NIL deals does not. Your model of UNC paying their staff minimal so that they can pay more for athletes is perfectly fine, but only up to the cap. They cannot directly pay their athletes more than that.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I agree, and I've never said otherwise. To be clear, any money paid directly by the university to an athlete counts towards the rev share cap. Being creative through third-party NIL deals does not. Your model of UNC paying their staff minimal so that they can pay more for athletes is perfectly fine, but only up to the cap. They cannot directly pay their athletes more than that.
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Yes they can. They just have the booster that would otherwise give $5 million to the head coach redirect that money to the players.
 
mpaer said:
Not an arguement here. A question
Why would "clearinghouse approved " NIL be a violation. Keep in mind I am including the clearinghouse includes Collective $
I generally have faith in the 14 mil salary discussed for this years Basketball program Maybe we have 5-6 in rev Share. The rest is NIL-which in the Collective's case is basically Athletic dept money raised by the Collective
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It wouldn't be a violation, it also wouldn't count towards the rev share cap. Those two methods (not sure the correct term) are separate and involve money coming in from separate sources - one is from the university, while the other is from a third-party source and must be approved.
 
wmheel1287 said:
You can call the clearinghouse mo ey whatever you like but it is 100% raised by the university, coordinated by them, packaged to pass a bare sniff test without actually being for any remote NIL purpose, and then paid to the athletes.
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And also not a violation of any guideline/bylaw/law, and also completely different from the university directly paying. You said that you know the university is directly paying players above the rev share cap. Which would mean they are lying about how much money they are directly paying players, and not going through the process of getting it cleared/approved. I don't believe that.
 
Calheel said:
Yes they can. They just have the booster that would otherwise give $5 million to the head coach redirect that money to the players.
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No, they can't, without getting it cleared/approved, hence it would then become NIL. Rev share payment is completely different from NIL payment.
 
stankeylegjones said:
No, they can't, without getting it cleared/approved, hence it would then become NIL. Rev share payment is completely different from NIL payment.
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At some point I feel like this is a vicious semantic circle from which there is no recovery.

If it makes you feel better, I’ll amend my prior statement to say that UNC NIL fundraising could be more judiciously allocated to players rather than coaches.
 
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