UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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Fire Bill Belichick and his sons and Lombardi and his son AFTER demanding that Preyer and Roberts and the NASCAR guy resign.

Ask Ken Browning to step in as interim head coach if he’s up to it.

Start the head coaching search after renaming Bubba as the permanent AD and announce LOUDLY that Bubba is running the football coaching search.
 
The author of WRAL’s story was on Charlotte radio and said he tried to do a similar story last year during Mack’s final season, but player parents weren’t willing to say negative things.

He didn’t mention what type of comments he was able to get out of the parents of NC State players, a team that had the same record as UNC last year.
 
I think we need another article to come out to help push the thread along. We've had both the NYT (The Athletic) & the WSJ put out articles in the last few days...anyone know when we can expect something from WaPo?
 
I think we need another article to come out to help push the thread along. We've had both the NYT (The Athletic) & the WSJ put out articles in the last few days...anyone know when we can expect something from WaPo?
Paging Pablo Torre....
 
I think we need another article to come out to help push the thread along. We've had both the NYT (The Athletic) & the WSJ put out articles in the last few days...anyone know when we can expect something from WaPo?
I saw something on Fox “News” so there’s a chance it’s reaching the ruling class.
 
For those still on IC, I would suggest reading the piece Tommy Ashley just posted. I don't care if you think that WRAL and the N&) are run by a bunch of lying UNC haters, or how many former players have told you everything is fine, you can no longer dismiss away the reporting of dysfunction and failure as mere haterade.
Did Tommy’s article have any element of a call for patience?
 
They might not know they are on an island. Trump doesn't know he is on an island because he only reads things that he likes. If you are an ostrich with your head in the sand, you don't have a very good perspective on the rest of the world. I doubt Roberts is following the college football world as closely as you and I doubt he knows the near unanimity of opinion that it is time to pull the plug on Belichick.
I mean it’s not like this is a niche story that you would only hear about if you’re a diehard college football fan. The articles are coming out left and right from all of the major publications and they are hammering not only the program but also the university and the process that got us to this point, which obviously implicates Roberts and co.

It’s loud enough that they definitely hear the noise, they will probably just choose to ignore it.
 
A bit. I thought it was balanced. Said BB had bent on some stuff. Said BB and Lombardi probably underestimated difficulty of job. Talked about the whiff on the QB.
I think it's likely that both of us are gleaning from that article exactly what we want to reinforce our viewpoints- yours that Belichick and Co. are going to be flexible and make some needed changes, mine that there is no indication whatsoever that they are going to do so- but there was nothing in what Tommy wrote that makes me feel any better, and in fact much of what he wrote makes me feel arguably worse, about the current state of our program and the prospects of this thing getting turned around. Belichick may have "bent" on the "no New England Patriots retweets on social media" stance but until or unless he "bends" on having either of his sons, or Michael Lombardi, or Lombardi's son on the payroll, all of this is- IMO, of course- rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
I think it's likely that both of us are gleaning from that article exactly what we want to reinforce our viewpoints- yours that Belichick and Co. are going to be flexible and make some needed changes, mine that there is no indication whatsoever that they are going to do so- but there was nothing in what Tommy wrote that makes me feel any better, and in fact much of what he wrote makes me feel arguably worse, about the current state of our program and the prospects of this thing getting turned around. Belichick may have "bent" on the "no New England Patriots retweets on social media" stance but until or unless he "bends" on having either of his sons, or Michael Lombardi, or Lombardi's son on the payroll, all of this is- IMO, of course- rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
I just said he had bent on some stuff. He did. I think Steve belichick might be a good DC.
 
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I just said he had bent on some stuff. He did. I think Steve belichick night be a good DC.
I sincerely hope so, and I don’t mean that with any snark or sarcasm. Even taking into account TCU being a solid offensive team, the defensive product on the field against UCF and Clemson, neither of which are good offenses at all, gives me reason to believe otherwise – but obviously there are still seven games left in the season so we will have to reevaluate at the end of the year.

My biggest issue is with Steve is that if he was not the son of the head coach, there is nothing on his résumé besides his last name that would give anyone any reason to want to have hired him to be the defensive coordinator. The only reason somebody besides his dad gave him a defensive coordinating position at the collegiate level last year was because Jedd Fisch- surprise, surprise – coached for Bill Belichick at the New England Patriots. Now that we are getting all sorts of reports that he is completely aloof, non-communicative with the players, etc. it really just further reinforces the notion that this whole thing is nothing more than a giant grift for people named Belichick and Lombardi to line their pockets.

It is a real problem that UNC has more than half of its coaching staff comprised of people that nobody else – literally nobody else – would have given their same job at other program. It is a real problem for UNC that the general manager hasn’t touched a player personnel role in a decade, and was known as a poor GM at that when he did. At what point are those of us who are fans and supporters UNC going to demand that the university stop hiring a bunch retread, undesirable, out of work coaches who bring their nepotism and cronyism with them when they fill out their staff? At what point are we going to demand that UNC stop obsessing with style over substance, and go out and hire the best possible football coach regardless of his name, who has a proven track record of successfully building **college** football programs, and recruiting and relating to college football players, and having a vision and a goal for building an actual ***college*** football program, not the 33rd team of the NFL?
 
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Let's say we send Belichick packing during this bye week - who coaches the rest of the season? I saw chansky advocating for reaching out to Jeff Saturday to be interrum head coach
Boot Lombo now for Saturday as GM, get Gundy as the OC now see what happens after the next few months.
 
When I was teaching, one of the professors gave an F+. That caused the school to completely rethink its grading system. That was going on when I left. No idea what ended up happening in the end.
So, possibly a 0.3 on the GPA rather than a 0.0.
 
it really just further reinforces the notion that this whole thing is nothing more than a giant grift for people named Belichick and Lombardi to line their pockets.
Or it could be more innocent, as in Belichick has a blind spot when it comes to his son's coaching abilities. It really doesn't have to be a grift. It could just be BB trying his best but being out of his league. Or BB thinking he's trying his best, but really he's an old man who lost his spark and hasn't admitted it to himself yet. It could be an impressive long game sabotage effort by Wuffies, who created a thing called "Jordon" specifically to cripple UNC's football program. Well, admittedly, this last one is unlikely. But the point is, you can say that this is an absolute disaster without assuming it's "lining their own pockets."

This is, I think, what identifies you as a former GOPer. The GOP's mentality is always to personalize the conflict. Bad things happen because evil people do them, and the proof that they are evil is them doing bad things. Hence we get all the bullshit about how Obama and the Dems are trying to destroy the country; it must always be personalized, and the harm must always be intentional.

In the last few years, liberals have adopted this approach -- but only because Trump etc. have made it an inescapable conclusion. Otherwise, I think we tend to be more forgiving, more aware of human fallibility. Sometimes, mistakes are just mistakes. That's not to say that I think BB definitely is not grifting; I have no idea. I just don't see any reason to jump on the intentionality train.

I suppose I should speak for myself more than others. I am acutely aware that people fuck up all the time. When someone fucks up, I don't tend to assume it's malicious. Only if I have evidence that it's the case. There is an admittedly unfortunate habit in the language to use the language of intentionality to describe mere argument. It's an old abstraction. For instance: you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. That uses what appears to be the language of intentionality, but the "trying" part is actually just a description of debate.
 

Maybe. Or maybe a documentary that will be traumatic for everyone involved, and that has no winners, only losers, is not worth finishing.

Who wants to see a documentary about this season for UNC? UNC fans? I would stay the fuck away from that thing with a ten foot pole. Why do I want to relive the trauma? Who would this documentary be for?
 
Maybe. Or maybe a documentary that will be traumatic for everyone involved, and that has no winners, only losers, is not worth finishing.

Who wants to see a documentary about this season for UNC? UNC fans? I would stay the fuck away from that thing with a ten foot pole. Why do I want to relive the trauma? Who would this documentary be for?
I can promise you that there would be an audience for the documentary of Belichick's hubris- and arrogance-drive foray into college football falling apart. Maybe not UNC fans, but I think there would absolutely be an audience for it.
 
Or it could be more innocent, as in Belichick has a blind spot when it comes to his son's coaching abilities. It really doesn't have to be a grift. It could just be BB trying his best but being out of his league. Or BB thinking he's trying his best, but really he's an old man who lost his spark and hasn't admitted it to himself yet. It could be an impressive long game sabotage effort by Wuffies, who created a thing called "Jordon" specifically to cripple UNC's football program. Well, admittedly, this last one is unlikely. But the point is, you can say that this is an absolute disaster without assuming it's "lining their own pockets."

This is, I think, what identifies you as a former GOPer. The GOP's mentality is always to personalize the conflict. Bad things happen because evil people do them, and the proof that they are evil is them doing bad things. Hence we get all the bullshit about how Obama and the Dems are trying to destroy the country; it must always be personalized, and the harm must always be intentional.

In the last few years, liberals have adopted this approach -- but only because Trump etc. have made it an inescapable conclusion. Otherwise, I think we tend to be more forgiving, more aware of human fallibility. Sometimes, mistakes are just mistakes. That's not to say that I think BB definitely is not grifting; I have no idea. I just don't see any reason to jump on the intentionality train.

I suppose I should speak for myself more than others. I am acutely aware that people fuck up all the time. When someone fucks up, I don't tend to assume it's malicious. Only if I have evidence that it's the case. There is an admittedly unfortunate habit in the language to use the language of intentionality to describe mere argument. It's an old abstraction. For instance: you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. That uses what appears to be the language of intentionality, but the "trying" part is actually just a description of debate.
lol, I think you're reaching a bit here. I've never been GOP or conservative in any way, shape, or form but I largely agree with cford. Though personally I think what mostly explains the Belichick and kids things is that Belichick truly believes, after his long career, that it doesn't matter who his assistant coaches are as long as they just do what he tells them to.
 
Boot Lombo now for Saturday as GM, get Gundy as the OC now see what happens after the next few months.
These are terrible ideas IMO. Saturday as GM is even dumber than Lombardi as GM. We need a GM who understands and has plenty of connections within the current recruiting/portal landscape. Not someone else with no knowledge parachuting in and trying to get by with catchphrases and vibes.
 
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