UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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Zoo_View said:
We’re 4-7 against a shitty schedule.

We’re paying an ancient coach with ZERO college coaching experience $10 million a year.

We’re paying his BFF the highest salary for a college GM.

Again, we’re 4-7.

If we hired a 73 year-old to head-up a rebuilding project, we’re getting what we paid for.
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Yes, we know.
 
another embarrassment on the field.

its as stupid as it gets to spend tons of money on any staff with zero guarantees but most fans are the dumbest of the dumb. to spend tons on an old has been who had never coached a college game is the bottom of the barrel dumb. spend money on talent...reward coaches when they prove they can win with talent at unc.
 
So it's looking like a 4-8 season, and it is not unreasonable to speculate that next season will be similar.

After BBBB leaves, my hope is we go after a successful DII coach like Paul Simmons. He is around 50 years old and has never won less than 9 games in a season as HC of Harding and won the DII national championship 2 years ago.

He seems to happy where he is, but I think his salary is less than 200k/year so if we offered him one million/year and another one million for his coaching staff that might be an incentive... and then we could use the extra 8 million/year to buy players.

That should be our model. Find a young successful DII coach and give him a few years to build his program.

Our two most successful coaches in the last 45 years came to us from Miami of Ohio and App State/Tulane...just sayin'
 
I'm starting to warm up to what OG and heel are saying. We could steal Kirby Smart away from Georgia and there's zero proof that he could win at UNC.
 
keywestheel said:
I'm starting to warm up to what OG and heel are saying. We could steal Kirby Smart away from Georgia and there's zero proof that he could win at UNC.
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Respectfully disagree with that. UNC hasn’t even attempted to hire anyone who isn’t an out-of-work has-been retread in almost a decade and a half. The last time we hired someone who didn’t fit that particular description, we did just fine- Larry Fedora did an above average job here for his first 4.5 years until personal stubbornness got in his way. The time before that, we hired Butch Davis at his career peak, and he did an above average job (and was well on his way to doing a spectacular job) had his personal loyalty to John Blake and the University’s completely amateurish approach to supporting its football program not gotten in the way.

Point being, an established college coach- almost *any* established college coach-one who is on the ascent in his career, would almost certainly do a much better job here than either of the last two geriatrics that we hired off of the unemployment line.
 
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So where would the proof be that he could win big at UNC? There's zero proof that Smart could win big at UNC. If he took the UNC job he would be considered a retread also.

The chances of any established coach would be hit or miss even if your expectations are at a Fedora level which was average at best overall.
 
keywestheel said:
So where would the proof be that he could win big at UNC? There's zero proof that Smart could win big at UNC. If he took the UNC job he would be considered a retread also.

The chances of any established coach would be hit or miss even if your expectations are at a Fedora level which was average at best overall.
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In your hypothetical scenario where Kirby Smart is the UNC coach, presumably he would be coming to UNC from Georgia where he has won multiple national championships and presided over the best program in college football over the last decade. Would he have somehow inexplicably forgotten how to recruit college players, coach college players, develop college players, hire competent college staffers, install competent college schemes, and develop competent college game plans? That seems highly dubious.

But we don’t even have to hire Kirby Smart to be good. Just last coaching cycle alone, we could’ve hired Jon Sumrall and had him and his QB Darien Mensah. I would be willing to bet tons of money that Sumrall would not be 4-8 this season and in fact that he’d be a lot closer to 8-4 against this awful schedule. The reason being that someone like Sumrall would have assembled a college coaching staff that has experience and is knowledgeable in assembling college rosters and preparing college game plans and coaching college games.
 
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keywestheel said:
So where would the proof be that he could win big at UNC? There's zero proof that Smart could win big at UNC. If he took the UNC job he would be considered a retread also.

The chances of any established coach would be hit or miss even if your expectations are at a Fedora level which was average at best overall.
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Lol so what are you suggesting here then? Since there’s technically no proof that any coach would do well at UNC, we should just throw our hands up and hire a random D3 coach because it would be really cheap?
 
Peppers49 said:
Lol so what are you suggesting here then? Since there’s technically no proof that any coach would do well at UNC, we should just throw our hands up and hire a random D3 coach because it would be really cheap?
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There's no reason with the money, facilities and name recognition that UNC has that it shouldn't be a good football program if schools like Indiana, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech and Virginia can have top 25 teams. UNC has just been historically awful in making personnel decisions when it comes to football.
 
It seems to me that the recipe for success at UNC in any sport has always been to find a young and up and coming coach with promise but most importantly one who WANTS to be at Carolina. Give them the resources they need to be successful and get the hell out of their way. We do not win with big egos and we do not win with hired guns.

Look at who is winning right now for us on campus. Look who has won for us historically. The trends are pretty clear. For some reason, we do not want to follow the history.

Hell, I would hire Jeff Saturday in 3 seconds before I would have hired Belichick and Jeff wouldn't be at the top of my list either.
 
C-Money said:
There's no reason with the money, facilities and name recognition that UNC has that it shouldn't be a good football program if schools like Indiana, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech and Virginia can have top 25 teams. UNC has just been historically awful in making personnel decisions when it comes to football.
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I agree with all of that. Just get frustrated when our fans paint our coaching hires in such extremes.

Our past 2 hires have been old and washed up coaches well past their primes that most people who follow the sport considered to be unserious hires. Now that both of those have flopped, you have people throwing up their hands and saying “ah well, if those two didn’t work out we might as well just hire a HS football coach for $150K because we’ve tried everything else!”.

It makes no sense to me when a massive pool of potential candidates sits in between those two extremes.
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
We should have let bubba Cunningham run the whole hiring process to begin with without all the outside interference
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The hires that Bubba has been allowed to make have ranged from good to great.

The hires that we’ve made that have gone sideways are the ones where he was largely sidelined.

It’s too bad the PTB couldn’t just get out of his way and let the man cook.
 
Peppers49 said:
I agree with all of that. Just get frustrated when our fans paint our coaching hires in such extremes.

Our past 2 hires have been old and washed up coaches well past their primes that most people who follow the sport considered to be unserious hires. Now that both of those have flopped, you have people throwing up their hands and saying “ah well, if those two didn’t work out we might as well just hire a HS football coach for $150K because we’ve tried everything else!”.

It makes no sense to me when a massive pool of potential candidates sits in between those two extremes.
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To be honest none of our hires have really worked out with a ceiling higher than a borderline Top 20 season. The odds of us winning with more talent is greater no matter the coach.
 
SnoopRob said:
The hires that Bubba has been allowed to make have ranged from good to great.

The hires that we’ve made that have gone sideways are the ones where he was largely sidelined.

It’s too bad the PTB couldn’t just get out of his way and let the man cook.
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I think that is part of the reason he is retiring, too. I'm afraid the new guy from NASCAR is just going to be a puppet for the Pubs on the BOT.
 
C-Money said:
I think that is part of the reason he is retiring, too. I'm afraid the new guy from NASCAR is just going to be a puppet for the Pubs on the BOT.
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Bubba is at retirment age (63.5 years old), but I don't doubt the public debacle that was the hiring of Belichick where he was publicly embarrassed by the BOT played a role in his decision to retire now. Which is terrible because, on the whole, he's a really, really good AD.

I hope the new guy can do as well as Bubba has done for us.
 
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