UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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As a Raiders fan, I beg to differ.
haha I hear ya! But I just mean to say that his track record at the collegiate level is superb, both at Oregon fielding national championship-level offenses and then at Ohio State last year actually coodinating a national championship offense.

It's almost assuredly moot, though, because it's very difficult to envision either Chip or Bill actually wanting to work together. What Bill wants out of his offense is completely different than what Chip wants out of his offense, almost night and day different. I'd be stunned if Bill is feeling A. pressure enough and/or B. cares enough about this UNC job to warrant doing a complete 180 on his entire football philosophy at age 74.
 
I hear you, and I would absolutely like to believe that is true. But every coach who ever loses a game says in the postgame presser that they have to do a better job coaching. Every single one. I bet I could pull the transcript of almost every losing coach's press conference this season and 90% of them would say some variation of "we've got to do a better job coaching." I'm more interested in seeing things on the field change instead of lip service being paid to needing to coach better (examples being things such as not continuing to make the same bizarre timeout/clock management mistakes, not allowing the same players to continue commit the same boneheaded personal fouls, trying to change things up offensively by trying a new quarterback, etc.)

Trust me, I want this to work. I truly do. I know it seems like I get enjoyment out of criticizing Bill Belichick but nothing could be further from the truth. I get zero enjoyment out of UNC football losing games, and especially losing to teams like Wake Forest and Duke. The reason I'm so critical is because I feel empowered to do so given that everyone involved in this whole charade has said from day one that we weren't going to be outcoached, outschemed, out-game managed, we were going to run this thing like the NFL's 33rd team, etc. etc. I just feel that if they're going to have said all of those things, then they needed to have backed it up, and since they haven't to date, I feel compelled to be highly critical and skeptical. If they had come in from day 1 with some humility and acknowledged that they had a huge learning curve ahead of them, I'd be more tolerant of what we've seen.
The 33rd NFL thing is easy now to mock. But if you read what recruits are saying, they buy that stuff. People took it to mean we would be 33rd best NFL team. Not what he said or meant. The staff is holding this class together and adding to it. I suspect they will portal fur same reason Hubert did. They have to. Already dime good vibes on portal inroads on IC.
 
The 33rd NFL thing is easy now to mock. But if you read what recruits are saying, they buy that stuff. People took it to mean we would be 33rd best NFL team. Not what he said or meant. The staff is holding this class together and adding to it. I suspect they will portal fur same reason Hubert did. They have to. Already dime good vibes on portal inroads on IC.
That's all great to hear- sincerely. I hope it's true.

For me, the 33rd NFL team wasn't that I thought they meant that we'd be "as good as" the proverbial 33rd NFL team, but rather that we'd run a buttoned-up, polished, no-nonsense, well-organized operation top to bottom from talent attainment, to scheming and game planning, to game management, etc. And we just haven't seen any of that dating back 11 months when the hire was initially made. That's where my frustration resides- with the fact that we look every bit as disjointed, disorganized, disinterested, and disheveled as we did at the end under Mack. I honestly didn't have a stone-cold W/L expectation to which I was going to hold this staff in year 1 (I predicted 8-4 in preseason primarily because of how easy the schedule was); my expectations were much more simple in that I just wanted to see us have that decided schematic, preparation, and game management edge for which Belichick was renowned for 2 decades in the NFL. And we just have not seen that in any way this season, thus my frustration and my very vocal (and probably very annoying by now) critique.
 
Whatever man lol. You are clearly hell bent on wanting the football program remaining a joke for whatever reason. Congrats for being on the winning side there I guess.
Your takeaway is that I want the football program to be a joke ? 55 years ago I matriculated at UNC . I served on the faculty at UNC. I have been a member of the Ram's Club for 35 years. I have two daughters who graduated from UNC and pray that my grandson becomes a freshman at UNC next year.

You think for the last 55 years I haven't hoped that our football program would rise from the ashes like a phoenix to become Alabama ?

But my 55 yr experience says it is extremely unlikely we will become a "football school" and so I look forward to each football season where we can beat dook**, wake, and ncst have a winning record, and play in a bowl game. A better season than that, rare as they have been, would be icing on the cake with a cherry on top.

One football fan I will never be is a bitter year after year fan who demands we should become an Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson football program

but that's just me... so carry on
 
That's all great to hear- sincerely. I hope it's true.

For me, the 33rd NFL team wasn't that I thought they meant that we'd be "as good as" the proverbial 33rd NFL team, but rather that we'd run a buttoned-up, polished, no-nonsense, well-organized operation top to bottom from talent attainment, to scheming and game planning, to game management, etc. And we just haven't seen any of that dating back 11 months when the hire was initially made. That's where my frustration resides- with the fact that we look every bit as disjointed, disorganized, disinterested, and disheveled as we did at the end under Mack. I honestly didn't have a stone-cold W/L expectation to which I was going to hold this staff in year 1 (I predicted 8-4 in preseason primarily because of how easy the schedule was); my expectations were much more simple in that I just wanted to see us have that decided schematic, preparation, and game management edge for which Belichick was renowned for 2 decades in the NFL. And we just have not seen that in any way this season, thus my frustration and my very vocal (and probably very annoying by now) critique.
I can change 3 plays and we are 7-4. The goaline deals and if cost holds onto int. The point is while we are not good we have made steps. I think at this point you can argue Lombo Jr. Has done in with gio. But my main point is that suggests the coaches are doing some things differently.
 
Your takeaway is that I want the football program to be a joke ? 55 years ago I matriculated at UNC . I served on the faculty at UNC. I have been a member of the Ram's Club for 35 years. I have two daughters who graduated from UNC and pray that my grandson becomes a freshman at UNC next year.

You think for the last 55 years I haven't hoped that our football program would rise from the ashes like a phoenix to become Alabama ?

But my 55 yr experience says it is extremely unlikely we will become a "football school" and so I look forward to each football season where we can beat dook**, wake, and ncst have a winning record, and play in a bowl game. A better season than that, rare as they have been, would be icing on the cake with a cherry on top.

One football fan I will never be is a bitter year after year fan who demands we should become an Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson football program

but that's just me... so carry on
You’ve made it very clear that you’re perfectly fine with the current product on the field and that you don’t think it’s possible for the program to ever be better than what it is now.

I couldn’t disagree more with that stance, but people can decide for themselves how they want to root for the team and I shouldn’t really be trying to convince them otherwise.
 
I can change 3 plays and we are 7-4. The goaline deals and if cost holds onto int. The point is while we are not good we have made steps. I think at this point you can argue Lombo Jr. Has done in with gio. But my main point is that suggests the coaches are doing some things differently.
“If we had simply won the games that we actually lost we would have a good record”.

Every shitty team in the country can use this logic.
 
You’ve made it very clear that you’re perfectly fine with the current product on the field and that you don’t think it’s possible for the program to ever be better than what it is now.

I couldn’t disagree more with that stance, but people can decide for themselves how they want to root for the team and I shouldn’t really be trying to convince them otherwise.
I appreciate you not convincing fans like me who support our program for what it has been for 100 years even though it has fallen short of being a top 10 football program throughout our history.
 
“If we had simply won the games that we actually lost we would have a good record”.

Every shitty team in the country can use this logic.
I understand you aren't interested in positives.
“If we had simply won the games that we actually lost we would have a good record”.

Every shitty team in the country can use this logic.
I explained point and you missed it anyway.
 
We’re 94th overall in FEI, which is our worst rating in the existence of FEI. There are very few positives
Recruiting is positive. Our dline has been positive and we get 7 of 8 back. The team continues to fight when many predicted they would mail it in. That's positive. The negatives are in bold. I am rooting for this staff because they aren't going anywhere soon.
 
I can change 3 plays and we are 7-4. The goaline deals and if cost holds onto int. The point is while we are not good we have made steps. I think at this point you can argue Lombo Jr. Has done in with gio. But my main point is that suggests the coaches are doing some things differently.
You make a good argument to accent the positives but you need to understand that some fans would be pissed if we were 7-4 heading into Saturday. And OMG if we were to finish 7-5 or 8-4 and go to a minor bowl ?

For some fans anything less than a 10 win season is unacceptable
 
I understand you aren't interested in positives.

I explained point and you missed it anyway.
Alright then enlightened one, explain what your point was. If you’re trying to suggest that we’re actually a decent team that’s a few snakebitten plays away from a better record then I disagree with that. That premise would hold weight if all of the power rating metrics that take actual wins and losses out of the equation didn’t still have us ranked around 90th in the country.
 
I appreciate you not convincing fans like me who support our program for what it has been for 100 years even though it has fallen short of being a top 10 football program throughout our history.
Where have I ever suggested that I expect UNC football to be Clemson or Ohio State or Georgia or a top 10 program nationally? You bring that up constantly so maybe I’ve been saying that all along and just forgot about it.

I’ll be sitting here like patience on a monument waiting for you to show me.
 
I can change 3 plays and we are 7-4. The goaline deals and if cost holds onto int. The point is while we are not good we have made steps. I think at this point you can argue Lombo Jr. Has done in with gio. But my main point is that suggests the coaches are doing some things differently.
We’re 1-3 in one-score games, so 2 points…

1) Coaching isn’t pulling us through in close games with regularity.

2) If you say that those should be 50/50 outcomes, we’d pick up 1 win and still be 5-6.

While we’ve made progress since Clemson, the best you can really say is we’ve gone from terrible to merely bad.
 
Where have I ever suggested that I expect UNC football to be Clemson or Ohio State or Georgia or a top 10 program nationally? You bring that up constantly so maybe I’ve been saying that all along and just forgot about it.

I’ll be sitting here like patience on a monument waiting for you to show me.
I may have gotten out over my skis and assumed that was your expectation so I apologize.

I don't think you have really ever actually gone on record spelling out your requirement for a UNC successful football program ?

I could be wrong. If so, can you remind me what you have considered a successful UNC football program would be ?
 
Where in that article does it say that Roberts liked Belichick after that call? I can't find that statement in the article and Roberts is only mentioned 4 times throughout the entire thing.

But it does say this...

Preyer’s actions, which eventually led to UNC System President Peter Hans temporarily suspending parts of the delegations of authority given to the Board of Trustees in February, sparked outrage among a segment of Carolina administrators and supporters and led to rumors of dual coaching searches running separately but concurrently. Sources close to the administration and familiar with the search process insisted that it was indeed an offer, which hurt UNC’s leverage in the Belichick negotiations and cost the school a chance to hire other top candidates, especially Campbell.

I'm not saying that Roberts may not have been persuaded that Belichick was a good hire, I'm saying that we can't assume that just because Belichick was hired. And given that he allowed Bubba to continue a normal search after that Dec 1 meeting, I would add that we can't assume that Roberts was all-in on Belichick at that time.

Roberts certainly deserves some of the blame for Belichick, but the vast majority goes to Preyer because he's obviously the one who, in reality, hired Belichick.
There is no "reality" in which Preyer made the hire. He simply did not have the power to do that, even under your "he made it politically untenable for Roberts to say no" theory.

Preyer did two things. He helped set up the Zoom meeting with Bill and he communicated directly with Lombardi. Neither of those things came close to hiring Bill. In fact, his sideshow antics almost derailed the hiring (ironically that would have been the best possible thing for UNC).

It was the five hour Zoom call that swayed things. Here is how Adam Smith described it:

"Across the eventful course of the last week, as IC first reported, sources said the UNC search committee's initial interview with Belichick on the Zoom videoconferencing platform turned what some presumed to be merely a courtesy conversation into the full-on birth of his candidacy. His depth of preparation and detailed plans for winning big with the Tar Heels made a profound impact. Sources said Belichick initiated interest in the job, and proceeded to win over the committee with his first interview."

Here is how Steve Newmark described it:

But in early December, Newmark heard straight from the future Pro Football Hall of Famer, when Belichick made his pitch for the job to a four-person committee tasked with steering the Tar Heels’ football future.

Belichick’s football strategy — how he wanted to recruit, which positions he’d prioritize — was as thorough as expected. But everything else? About donor engagement, third-party revenue opportunities and post-graduation support for players?

“Quite frankly,” says Newmark, a former NASCAR executive and Chapel Hill native set to succeed Cunningham as North Carolina’s AD next summer, “it changed the dynamic of the entire search process.”


Here is how Preyer described it in his one-on-one sit down with Greg:

“The search firm that had been selected was a bit of a head scratcher to me as the principal there had been the former athletic director at N.C. State. It seemed like they had a list of conventional candidates and weren’t really thinking big. So adding Coach Belichick to the existing list of candidates caused a few raised eyebrows but they eventually agreed to the request.

“When it came time for the Zoom interviews, I’d asked that a few of the Rams Club members be included in the one with Coach Belichick because I thought it would help them to see firsthand he wasn’t using us as a stalking horse for another job and that he really wanted to be the coach at Carolina. What I didn’t expect was for the Zoom link, which was shaky at the start, to completely drop after the first five minutes, which it did. And then a funny thing happened, after somehow miraculously fixing his Wi-Fi connection, Coach Belichick re-appeared on Zoom composed and in full command as you’d expect from the coach who had eight Super Bowl rings.

“He was direct and matter of fact about why he wanted to be at Carolina, and why he thought his style of teaching of football would be a good fit for us. It was obviously quite compelling. After that interview the unique nature of the opportunity in front of us got more clear. Several of those who had been skeptical were now seeing the upside and were open to the prospect of it being real."

* * *


So Preyer certainly pushed for the zoom interview, but Newmark, Cunningham and Roberts all sat in that interview for five hours. The reporting uniformly suggests that everyone connected with UNC became pro-Bill after that interview. The prior hesitancy with Bill was not what we know now -- that he would be an absolutely terrible college football coach -- but that he was just using UNC as a stalking horse to get back into the NFL. Once that fear subsided after the Zoom meeting, UNC leadership was on the Bill train.

Roberts then personally travelled to meet with Bill two times in three days. Once on 12/5 in New York and once on 12/8 in Massachusetts. Roberts would not have taken such a personal role in the negotiations if he thought this were a bad idea. And his self-congratulatory interviews in December, the Spring, and right up to the pre-TCU interviews, all uniformly read as someone who thought he was taking a bold and visionary step for the future of UNC. Not someone who was forced into it.

To the extent that Preyer had a role in the hiring, it was akin to Harold Hill or Svengali -- a person who can bring others around to his point of view through the art of persuasion. But make no mistake. Roberts was the one who bought this steaming pile of dog poo and he is the one who needs to own it.
 
There is no "reality" in which Preyer made the hire. He simply did not have the power to do that, even under your "he made it politically untenable for Roberts to say no" theory.

Preyer did two things. He helped set up the Zoom meeting with Bill and he communicated directly with Lombardi. Neither of those things came close to hiring Bill. In fact, his sideshow antics almost derailed the hiring (ironically that would have been the best possible thing for UNC).

It was the five hour Zoom call that swayed things. Here is how Adam Smith described it:

"Across the eventful course of the last week, as IC first reported, sources said the UNC search committee's initial interview with Belichick on the Zoom videoconferencing platform turned what some presumed to be merely a courtesy conversation into the full-on birth of his candidacy. His depth of preparation and detailed plans for winning big with the Tar Heels made a profound impact. Sources said Belichick initiated interest in the job, and proceeded to win over the committee with his first interview."

Here is how Steve Newmark described it:

But in early December, Newmark heard straight from the future Pro Football Hall of Famer, when Belichick made his pitch for the job to a four-person committee tasked with steering the Tar Heels’ football future.

Belichick’s football strategy — how he wanted to recruit, which positions he’d prioritize — was as thorough as expected. But everything else? About donor engagement, third-party revenue opportunities and post-graduation support for players?

“Quite frankly,” says Newmark, a former NASCAR executive and Chapel Hill native set to succeed Cunningham as North Carolina’s AD next summer, “it changed the dynamic of the entire search process.”


Here is how Preyer described it in his one-on-one sit down with Greg:

“The search firm that had been selected was a bit of a head scratcher to me as the principal there had been the former athletic director at N.C. State. It seemed like they had a list of conventional candidates and weren’t really thinking big. So adding Coach Belichick to the existing list of candidates caused a few raised eyebrows but they eventually agreed to the request.

“When it came time for the Zoom interviews, I’d asked that a few of the Rams Club members be included in the one with Coach Belichick because I thought it would help them to see firsthand he wasn’t using us as a stalking horse for another job and that he really wanted to be the coach at Carolina. What I didn’t expect was for the Zoom link, which was shaky at the start, to completely drop after the first five minutes, which it did. And then a funny thing happened, after somehow miraculously fixing his Wi-Fi connection, Coach Belichick re-appeared on Zoom composed and in full command as you’d expect from the coach who had eight Super Bowl rings.

“He was direct and matter of fact about why he wanted to be at Carolina, and why he thought his style of teaching of football would be a good fit for us. It was obviously quite compelling. After that interview the unique nature of the opportunity in front of us got more clear. Several of those who had been skeptical were now seeing the upside and were open to the prospect of it being real."

* * *


So Preyer certainly pushed for the zoom interview, but Newmark, Cunningham and Roberts all sat in that interview for five hours. The reporting uniformly suggests that everyone connected with UNC became pro-Bill after that interview. The prior hesitancy with Bill was not what we know now -- that he would be an absolutely terrible college football coach -- but that he was just using UNC as a stalking horse to get back into the NFL. Once that fear subsided after the Zoom meeting, UNC leadership was on the Bill train.

Roberts then personally travelled to meet with Bill two times in three days. Once on 12/5 in New York and once on 12/8 in Massachusetts. Roberts would not have taken such a personal role in the negotiations if he thought this were a bad idea. And his self-congratulatory interviews in December, the Spring, and right up to the pre-TCU interviews, all uniformly read as someone who thought he was taking a bold and visionary step for the future of UNC. Not someone who was forced into it.

To the extent that Preyer had a role in the hiring, it was akin to Harold Hill or Svengali -- a person who can bring others around to his point of view through the art of persuasion. But make no mistake. Roberts was the one who bought this steaming pile of dog poo and he is the one who needs to own it.
If you believe all that and that Preyer wasn’t the main driver of this hire, I hope you never reply to an email from a Nigerian prince.
 
From the linked article….

The UNC football program needs stability, something that Kelly has struggled to find throughout his career. North Carolina should not serve as a rebound for Kelly as he aims to get his stock back up so he can pursue other opportunities elsewhere.”

I’m calling BS. Teams in search of stability do not hire a 73 year-old head coach to lead a rebuild.
 
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