UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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IllegalMotion9999 said:
UNC needs the warm porridge mix of recruits and transfers. Hard to find the right mix. Part of me does think that UNC would be better off (with a different coach) embracing a build through recruiting. As many point out, the big problem is that it takes time and how many will transfer out once they are good enough.
The key IMO is when are schools going to implement Non-Compete clauses of a sort in NIL deals/scholarships? Basically get recruits to commit to a certain number of years. Don't think it has been tried yet, but schools like UNC and others are going to get fed up having kids transfer out to the powerhouses. Athletes being paid employees now, might as well treat them as such. Or is such a thing impossible because most recruits would never sign with something like that in place?
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I would be happy with a "sit out a year" if you transfer.
 
IllegalMotion9999 said:
UNC needs the warm porridge mix of recruits and transfers. Hard to find the right mix. Part of me does think that UNC would be better off (with a different coach) embracing a build through recruiting. As many point out, the big problem is that it takes time and how many will transfer out once they are good enough.
The key IMO is when are schools going to implement Non-Compete clauses of a sort in NIL deals/scholarships? Basically get recruits to commit to a certain number of years. Don't think it has been tried yet, but schools like UNC and others are going to get fed up having kids transfer out to the powerhouses. Athletes being paid employees now, might as well treat them as such. Or is such a thing impossible because most recruits would never sign with something like that in place?
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The long and short of it is that for there to be real, enforceable, multi-year contracts that the universities are going to have to admit that athletes are employees so that a union can form and collectively bargain an agreement with the universities.

Until then, everything will be individual contracts between individual schools and individual players, which will likely always contain buy out clauses or which one party or the other will try to ignore and/or take their chances with the courts. And we've seen that the courts are very, very sympathetic to the players, meaning that the schools are going to struggle to get rules/regulations/guardrails in place until this occurs.
 
They just need contracts like the pros that make it harder to transfer. If you want to leave then someone needs to buy out the contract. If you stay and reach certain milestones then you can get bonuses.
 
SnoopRob said:
The long and short of it is that for there to be real, enforceable, multi-year contracts that the universities are going to have to admit that athletes are employees so that a union can form and collectively bargain an agreement with the universities.

Until then, everything will be individual contracts between individual schools and individual players, which will likely always contain buy out clauses or which one party or the other will try to ignore and/or take their chances with the courts. And we've seen that the courts are very, very sympathetic to the players, meaning that the schools are going to struggle to get rules/regulations/guardrails in place until this occurs.
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Of course it is prohibited by statute for UNC employees to engage in collective Bargaining
 
SnoopRob said:
I guarantee you that a workaround will be figured out if P2 college football/basketball is on the line.
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40 years ago as an eager young Comp guy I went to the University Counsel concerning a published account that said a certain Basketball staffer (not a coach) had received some Nike money-in clear violation of that staffers "State employee pay" status. Her response was quick
"Don't you worry about it"
 
CarolinaFever said:
They just need contracts like the pros that make it harder to transfer. If you want to leave then someone needs to buy out the contract. If you stay and reach certain milestones then you can get bonuses.
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Contracts alone won't solve the problem because the specifics of the NIL laws/regulations state that payment can't be "pay for play" and must be tied to revenue based on player's name, image, & likeness (which is a little fuzzy with revenue sharing, but still fits under this rule). So while the NIL contract can incentivize the player to stay at that particular school, there's really no known way to write the contract that actual binds the player to the school.
 
Peppers49 said:
I’ve seen Ben say that in terms of overall roster spend we aren’t on the level of the top end of the P2, but we do compete in the level just below that (or something to that effect).

Understand everyone wants specific numbers and it would be interesting to see a true stack rank of every FBS team’s budget, but barring major changes to the sport we’re probably never going to get that. Reading between the lines though it sounds like UNC is in a good spot as far as NIL money goes. A GM that’s actually worth being paid twice as much as the next highest-paid college GM should be able to put together a roster that easily competes in the top half of the ACC with those kind of resources.
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Aren't we also paying Tanner 1 million? Lombardi is making 500 grand more than him, yet football is by far the biggest money earner. I don't understand the outrage over his salary, if anything I like that it shows the landscape that we're willing to pay well. That has to draw the attention of the top folks in that position, which will be important when the BB experiment ends (whenever it ends) Right?
 
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stankeylegjones said:
Aren't we also paying Tanner 1 million? Lombardi is making 500 grand more than him, yet football is by far the biggest money earner. I don't understand the outrage over his salary, if anything I like that it shows the landscape that we're willing to pay well. That has to draw the attention of the top folks in that position, which will be important when the BB experiment ends (whenever it ends) Right?
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If you can’t understand why people are mad about Lombardi then I have several bridges to sell you.
 
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stankeylegjones said:
Mad about him or his salary? Those two things are different, imo.
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I’m mad about him having the GM job AND his salary.

Absolutely no reason for Lombardi to be the highest paid GM in college football. He last had a football coaching related job in 2014-16 when he was an assistant to the coaching staff for the Patriots.

No one in the pros or college was looking to hire Mike Lombardi in any capacity. Same as no one was looking to hire Bill Belichick.

Except UNC’s non-athletic, non-academic “leadership.”
 
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Peppers49 said:
People are mad because we evidently have a lot of money to spend on a GM but still ended up with someone incompetent. It’s not that deep.
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It's definitely not that deep. But, you're being too superficial here, imo. Spending that much on a coach, staff, and GM shows to the landscape that we're willing to put money into our football program and make it a top priority. It shows everyone that, while we're still known for basketball, we're not a basketball school. That is incredibly important going forward, when we're hiring a new staff, and something you couldn't argue prior to last year.
 
Zoo_View said:
I’m mad about him having the GM job AND his salary.

Absolutely no reason for Lombardi to be the highest paid GM in college football. He last had a football coaching related job in 2014-16 when he was an assistant to the coaching staff for the patriots.

No one in the pros or college was looking to hire Mike Lombardi in any capacity. Same as no one was looking to hire Bill Belichick.

Except UNC’s non-athletic, non-academic “leadership.”
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If it leads to being able to hire the best GM when we're moving on to a new staff, then I'm okay with it.

That has been the best thing about this hire for me, that we're finally starting to put resources into the program.
 
stankeylegjones said:
It's definitely not that deep. But, you're being too superficial here, imo. Spending that much on a coach, staff, and GM shows to the landscape that we're willing to put money into our football program and make it a top priority. It shows everyone that, while we're still known for basketball, we're not a basketball school. That is incredibly important going forward, when we're hiring a new staff, and something you couldn't argue prior to last year.
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Sometimes when someone puts up a lot of money only for it to go to waste, they are reluctant to do the same thing again.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Are they ignoring local players or are local players close enough to realize something. I can tell you this...wearing a UNC anything in the Triangle during football season just kind of makes you the butt of a sad and inevitable joke about Belichick and/or Jordon. There's no positive vibe at all about BB or the program in the area. That has to have some sort of impact.
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Xavier Lewis (walkon turned contributor) Rolesville High class of '25
Reggie Love II (Mack walk-on) Rolesville High class of '23
Nathan Leacock hometown:Rolesville (went to milbrook high) class of '23

We just landed '27 4* safety Marquis Bryant over perennial top-5 teams from...... ROLESVILLE in Wake county, basically part of Raleigh sprawl. Love, Lewis, Marquis Bryant all played for the same HS coach.

Wouldn't Xavier and the others warn Marquis of the turrrible terrors under BB? Or wouldn't his awareness of Jordon have scared him off?
 
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