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Grand slam hire on paper as Petrino has been an elite OC. I'm a little more optimistic about next season but ultimately this will likely end bad.

As for Petrinos baggage this is the reality with big time athletics and has been for a long time, even at UNC. I don't begrudge anyone for being disappointed but we've always had coaches/players with warts to varying degrees. I was disappointed we let ZH back on the team and let him in the gym while suspended. That feels wrong but did anyone boycott the basketball team?

Ultimately greed is the driving force and all of the universities in the P4 are complicit.
 
Petrino's system has more of a pro-style look with a tight end, three receivers, and a running back, incorporates a lot of play-action from under center, and uses the running game to set up an opportunistic passing game, so schematically I can see why Belichick went with Petrino given Bill's preference for pro-style offensive concepts and philosophy. One area where Petrino's offense differs from a lot of other collegiate offenses, and where it differs from Kelly's even, is that the wide receiver route trees and concepts are really tough to learn and implement, and requires all three of the quarterback, the OL, and the receivers to excel at pre-snap reads. It's definitely a big gamble given how awful our current offensive personnel is at quarterback, on the offensive line, and at wide receiver (outside of Shipp).
 
Thinking of Birdcage, Godfather 2, Law and Order SVU and feel the best thing to happen at this point is for someone to slip a dead hooker in BB's bed so that UNC can fire him for cause quickly....feel bad writing that but reflects how distressing this all is.
My hope is that the big time donors and season ticket holders are as disgusted as many of us small timers are and draw a line in the sand, withdraw financial support, and let UNC know this is all a no go. Wishful thinking...
 
kidryancorn said:
Grand slam hire on paper as Petrino has been an elite OC. I'm a little more optimistic about next season but ultimately this will likely end bad.

As for Petrinos baggage this is the reality with big time athletics and has been for a long time, even at UNC. I don't begrudge anyone for being disappointed but we've always had coaches/players with warts to varying degrees. I was disappointed we let ZH back on the team and let him in the gym while suspended. That feels wrong but did anyone boycott the basketball team?

Ultimately greed is the driving force and all of the universities in the P4 are complicit.
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Yea, people make mistakes. As for ZH, he did a really really bad thing. But you know, if we had kicked him off team, left school, etc., his life might have gone of the rails and he became a drag on society not a contributor. I think of some of the stupid shit my crowd did in college. There is a really good PC in which Nick Saban talks about sticking with the WR, Mahammod (sp) when he was criticized for it. Petrino had an affair with a staffer while marries more than a decade ago. I noticed he is still married to his wife.
 
heel79 said:
Yea, people make mistakes. As for ZH, he did a really really bad thing. But you know, if we had kicked him off team, left school, etc., his life might have gone of the rails and he became a drag on society not a contributor. I think of some of the stupid shit my crowd did in college. There is a really good PC in which Nick Saban talks about sticking with the WR, Mahammod (sp) when he was criticized for it. Petrino had an affair with a staffer while marries more than a decade ago. I noticed he is still married to his wife.
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The affair isnt my concern with Petrino. The man is nearly universally disliked and viewed in a very negative light by everyone who has worked with him. That's my concern.
 
CFordUNC said:
If there's a silver lining it's that Bill Belichick, Bobby Petrino, and Michael Lombardi all attempting to co-exist in the same football office is sure to end spectacularly badly.
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Petrino and Garrick McGee have worked together for many years, a few places. Him being on staff makes me hopeful that Petrino and BB each know what they're getting.
 
IllegalMotion9999 said:
Thinking of Birdcage, Godfather 2, Law and Order SVU and feel the best thing to happen at this point is for someone to slip a dead hooker in BB's bed so that UNC can fire him for cause quickly....feel bad writing that but reflects how distressing this all is.
My hope is that the big time donors and season ticket holders are as disgusted as many of us small timers are and draw a line in the sand, withdraw financial support, and let UNC know this is all a no go. Wishful thinking...
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See, the problem is that this is exactly what is happening but the fallout doesn’t affect this staff. It affects the program after this staff
 
heel79 said:
Yea, people make mistakes. As for ZH, he did a really really bad thing. But you know, if we had kicked him off team, left school, etc., his life might have gone of the rails and he became a drag on society not a contributor. I think of some of the stupid shit my crowd did in college. There is a really good PC in which Nick Saban talks about sticking with the WR, Mahammod (sp) when he was criticized for it. Petrino had an affair with a staffer while marries more than a decade ago. I noticed he is still married to his wife.
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To me, there is a major difference between doing what Mushin Muhammad did to get suspended by Nick Saban at Michigan State (possession of marijuana and then subsequently possession of a firearm which violated probation) and what Zayden High did to get suspended at UNC (sexual assault). High has no place still participating on UNC's basketball team and I think less highly of Hubert Davis for allowing it. Doing stupid stuff with drugs or guns is something that can be corrected, IMO. Being guilty of sexual assault is a lifelong stain (again IMO).

As for Petrino, the affair thing is, IMO, the least objectionable thing about him. It's certainly a dime a dozen, for better or for worse, in the industry. What's far more risible is the manner in which he is universally reviled by almost every player, staffer, or administrator who has ever worked with or for him. The manner in which he has left almost every single job he's ever had is also a glaring lack of character when tasked with building and leading young men, which I find to be more objectionable.
 
gregh1 said:
Petrino and Garrick McGee have worked together for many years, a few places. Him being on staff makes me hopeful that Petrino and BB each know what they're getting.
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That's definitely a good point. Will be interesting to see it all play out, that's for sure. I'll be curious to see if Bobby brings his son, Nick, along as QB coach. That would create quite an interesting dynamic.
 
CFordUNC said:
To me, there is a major difference between doing what Mushin Muhammad did to get suspended by Nick Saban at Michigan State (possession of marijuana and then subsequently possession of a firearm which violated probation) and what Zayden High did to get suspended at UNC (sexual assault). High has no place still participating on UNC's basketball team and I think less highly of Hubert Davis for allowing it. Doing stupid stuff with drugs or guns is something that can be corrected, IMO. Being guilty of sexual assault is a lifelong stain (again IMO).

As for Petrino, the affair thing is, IMO, the least objectionable thing about him. It's certainly a dime a dozen, for better or for worse, in the industry. What's far more risible is the manner in which he is universally reviled by almost every player, staffer, or administrator who has ever worked with or for him. The manner in which he has left almost every single job he's ever had is also a glaring lack of character when tasked with building and leading young men, which I find to be more objectionable.
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I do not want to give up on an 18 or 19 year old kid almost ever.
 
heel79 said:
I do not want to give up on an 18 or 19 year old kid almost ever.
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I agree with you, when it comes to drugs, alcohol, substance abuse, disobedience, insubordination, behavior issues, etc. I do not agree at all when it comes to sexual violence. Sexual violence should be a red line. That's far more deviant behavior than the ones I listed above.
 
wmheel1287 said:
The affair isnt my concern with Petrino. The man is nearly universally disliked and viewed in a very negative light by everyone who has worked with him. That's my concern.
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you will almost never find a football coach who is willing to say a bad word about any other coach they've worked with or even, in most cases, heard of. it's a tight-knit fraternity of a profession, to the point where it's a detriment to the sport because the same guys keep failing upwards just through connections.

in that context, the fact that famously nice-guy Mike Zimmer made no bones about calling Petrino a "coward. a gutless bastard. print that, i don't give a shit" is absolutely fucking damning -- and that is simply referring to his professionalism, to say nothing of personal character.
 
heel79 said:
I do not want to give up on an 18 or 19 year old kid almost ever.
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even if you believe this, the way to "not give up on him" would have been in supporting him in finding somewhere else to play basketball. make the case to other coaches that he learned what he did was wrong and is ready for a second chance. keeping him on the same campus as the woman he assaulted is dirty, dirty work and a stain on hubert's reputation, full stop.
 
akillesheel said:
even if you believe this, the way to "not give up on him" would have been in supporting him in finding somewhere else to play basketball. make the case to other coaches that he learned what he did was wrong and is ready for a second chance. keeping him on the same campus as the woman he assaulted is dirty, dirty work and a stain on hubert's reputation, full stop.
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Bingo. Perfectly stated.
 
CFordUNC said:
I agree with you, when it comes to drugs, alcohol, substance abuse, disobedience, insubordination, behavior issues, etc. I do not agree at all when it comes to sexual violence. Sexual violence should be a red line. That's far more deviant behavior than the ones I listed above.
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Sexual violence should be a red line, agreed. But High’s offense (or the rumor of it going around) was non-consensual filming of consensual sex iirc. I wouldn’t call that violence exactly. And I don’t think the team was wrong to try to rehab him, although these days there is no shame and no standards for criminality so who knows.
 
I watched the reaction YouTube video from IC with Tommy Ashley and Jason Staples and I guess one silver lining is Patreno will most likely also be coaching the QBs directly
 
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