UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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farce© said:
I don't know and I don't care about their cycles or philosophies. I don't follow recruiting (in any sport). I pull for the guys wearing Carolina blue when they walk on the field or the court. I base my opinions on what I see on the field and this year I saw nothing that impressed me.
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I get that. And, hopefully, if next year is not much better than this year then the BB experiment will be over. If they are gone after next year then I hope that the big thing that this experiment has done will have been to get UNC to start spending more on it's football program. It was crazy to hear that prior to BB's name being thrown into the mix, UNC was planning to spend around 5 million on it's next head coach.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I get that. And, hopefully, if next year is not much better than this year then the BB experiment will be over. If they are gone after next year then I hope that the big thing that this experiment has done will have been to get UNC to start spending more on it's football program. It was crazy to hear that prior to BB's name being thrown into the mix, UNC was planning to spend around 5 million on it's next head coach.
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I don’t say this to nit pick at you but I’m getting increasingly disillusioned with the idea that the Belichick hire will end up being worth it no matter what just because it’s what finally got UNC to invest serious money into the program.

If we go through a serious hiring process whenever we move on from Belichick and put all of these resources behind a competent college head coach, then yeah I could see a world where we look up in five years and say that suffering through this past season was ultimately worth it. If the boosters and people at the administrative level approach the next hire the way that they’ve approached the previous two then the money might not matter.
 
Peppers49 said:
I don’t say this to nit pick at you but I’m getting increasingly disillusioned with the idea that the Belichick hire will end up being worth it no matter what just because it’s what finally got UNC to invest serious money into the program.

If we go through a serious hiring process whenever we move on from Belichick and put all of these resources behind a competent college head coach, then yeah I could see a world where we look up in five years and say that suffering through this past season was ultimately worth it. If the boosters and people at the administrative level approach the next hire the way that they’ve approached the previous two then the money might not matter.
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I totally get that, and I agree. I want/hope that they put the same resources into a great staff. What I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned by is that, even if they do that, then it will be enough to compete at the top level. We're still way behind those schools in terms of spending on the program.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I totally get that, and I agree. I want/hope that they put the same resources into a great staff. What I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned by is that, even if they do that, then it will be enough to compete at the top level. We're still way behind those schools in terms of spending on the program.
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To be honest, even in a best case scenario I don’t expect us to ever truly compete with the very top programs in the sport unless we randomly strike gold with a Cignetti-esque coaching hire and/or MJ decides he wants to be our Phil Knight.

My hope is that in the next 3-5 years we somehow stabilize to be comfortably in the top half of the ACC, then make the jump to the P2 with some momentum behind us so that we aren’t a complete doormat like a Mississippi State or Rutgers once we get there.
 
Peppers49 said:
To be honest, even in a best case scenario I don’t expect us to ever truly compete with the very top programs in the sport unless we randomly strike gold with a Cignetti-esque coaching hire and/or MJ decides he wants to be our Phil Knight.

My hope is that in the next 3-5 years we somehow stabilize to be comfortably in the top half of the ACC, then make the jump to the P2 with some momentum behind us so that we aren’t a complete doormat like a Mississippi State or Rutgers once we get there.
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It would definitely take, at a minimum imo, MJ deciding to be our Mark Cuban. Without that, I don't think even Cignetti himself would get us to IU's current level, or even top 5.
 
Peppers49 said:
I don’t say this to nit pick at you but I’m getting increasingly disillusioned with the idea that the Belichick hire will end up being worth it no matter what just because it’s what finally got UNC to invest serious money into the program.

If we go through a serious hiring process whenever we move on from Belichick and put all of these resources behind a competent college head coach, then yeah I could see a world where we look up in five years and say that suffering through this past season was ultimately worth it. If the boosters and people at the administrative level approach the next hire the way that they’ve approached the previous two then the money might not matter.
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I'm not stankey, but I kinda hold this view and it's less that the Belichick hire will have been worth it and more of a potential silver lining if it turns out to be an utter failure.
 
stankeylegjones said:
It would definitely take, at a minimum imo, MJ deciding to be our Mark Cuban. Without that, I don't think even Cignetti himself would get us to IU's current level, or even top 5.
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IU is just insanely lucky with personnel IMO. The Heisman's bro was a JMU recruit who followed Cig to IU. Their starting DT is a former 0-star who has been at IU from the former regime, and now is really tough. Their stud MLB is a 2-star xfer from JMU. They have several other JMU guys who also went from zero-to-hero and a few IU guys who did the same. Great coaching and scheme is obviously happening, but they're struck gold with guys morphing their bodies from scrawny to bad-azz.

ETA - i don't think $ is really what transformed this current team. I could be wrong, but outside of the Heisman (whose bro was the hook), I don't think they were doing the TexasTech trick of outspending everyone.
 
gregh1 said:
IU is just insanely lucky with personnel IMO. The Heisman's bro was a JMU recruit who followed Cig to IU. Their starting DT is a former 0-star who has been at IU from the former regime, and now is really tough. Their stud MLB is a 2-star xfer from JMU. They have several other JMU guys who also went from zero-to-hero and a few IU guys who did the same. Great coaching and scheme is obviously happening, but they're struck gold with guys morphing their bodies from scrawny to bad-azz.

ETA - i don't think $ is really what transformed this current team. I could be wrong, but outside of the Heisman (whose bro was the hook), I don't think they were doing the TexasTech trick of outspending everyone.
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You might be right, but I thought I'd read that they'd put a ton more money into their program when they brought him on. I definitely agree with you that they basically won the lottery too.
 
Reading the comments on IC. Started a full year in big 10 for maryland. Apparently had no running game. Cignetti wanted him at James Madison. A gunslinger. I like he is 6-3 and 228. Fifth year guy who was at Wisconsin last year and was injured for season in game 2..clearly a bridge to Burgess. He is the one BB and Petrino targeted and got.
 
This ain’t exactly the “big game hunting” we were promised. We need to improve at QB so let’s get a guy who completed the same percentage of passes, basically the same ypc, threw for more TDs, but also more picks in his last full season as the guy we had last year? Doesn’t make much sense. The one upside is that he’ll at least have a competent OC/play caller.

This staff continues making moves as if they have 3-4-5 years to build. They do not. That’s why this whole deal where we spent somewhere north of $11M on the *high school* recruiting class and are only likely going to be able to take a small handful of portal players, including a non-instant impact type QB, is such a head scratching strategy.
 
CFordUNC said:
This ain’t exactly the “big game hunting” we were promised. We need to improve at QB so let’s get a guy who completed the same percentage of passes, basically the same ypc, threw for more TDs, but also more picks in his last full season as the guy we had last year? Doesn’t make much sense. The one upside is that he’ll at least have a competent OC/play caller.

This staff continues making moves as if they have 3-4-5 years to build. They do not. That’s why this whole deal where we spent somewhere north of $11M on the *high school* recruiting class and are only likely going to be able to take a small handful of portal players, including a non-instant impact type QB, is such a head scratching strategy.
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Who promised big game hunting? I missed that. I do think we will do well in portal and got some bigger names coming in tomorrow
 
CFordUNC said:
This ain’t exactly the “big game hunting” we were promised. We need to improve at QB so let’s get a guy who completed the same percentage of passes, basically the same ypc, threw for more TDs, but also more picks in his last full season as the guy we had last year? Doesn’t make much sense. The one upside is that he’ll at least have a competent OC/play caller.

This staff continues making moves as if they have 3-4-5 years to build. They do not. That’s why this whole deal where we spent somewhere north of $11M on the *high school* recruiting class and are only likely going to be able to take a small handful of portal players, including a non-instant impact type QB, is such a head scratching strategy.
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I’m not going to pretend like I know much about Billy Edwards, but to be honest I don’t really have a problem with the staff not going after one of the big name transfers. There aren’t a ton of guys in the portal that have proven that they can be high-level power conference QB anyway, and frankly the players that fit that mold were never going to even consider UNC.

My qualm is still that they couldn’t retain Baker to compete with Newkirk and a transfer or two like Edwards for the starting spot.
 
heel79 said:
Reading the comments on IC. Started a full year in big 10 for maryland. Apparently had no running game. Cignetti wanted him at James Madison. A gunslinger. I like he is 6-3 and 228. Fifth year guy who was at Wisconsin last year and was injured for season in game 2..clearly a bridge to Burgess. He is the one BB and Petrino targeted and got.
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People said similar on IC last year when we signed Gio Lopez. “Gunslinger, mobile dual-threat QB that can move the chains, highly underrated, great stats, etc. etc.” I have no problem whatsoever with fans having optimism, but this is not a needle-mover at QB in the slightest and may not even be a significant upgrade over Lopez.

I also think we should be cautious assuming any quarterback is a “bridge” to any other quarterback in this day and age in college football. We all thought Gio was a bride to the Bryce Baker future, too.

Fortunately, Edwards or Lopez or Newkirk will have a very good OC/play caller coaching them. That alone raises our floor considerably. But none of the quarterbacks on our roster considerably raise our ceiling either, especially if we don’t massively upgrade the OL.
 
Peppers49 said:
I’m not going to pretend like I know much about Billy Edwards, but to be honest I don’t really have a problem with the staff not going after one of the big name transfers. There aren’t a ton of guys in the portal that have proven that they can be high-level power conference QB anyway, and frankly the players that fit that mold were never going to even consider UNC.

My qualm is still that they couldn’t retain Baker to compete with Newkirk and a transfer or two like Edwards for the starting spot.
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Yeah that’s totally fair. I think someone like Edwards is *fine* (especially given who his OC will be) but I think that absent some unexpected miraculous OL haul in the portal, he is the kind of guy that maybe takes a 4-8 team to a 5-7, 6-6 type season.
 
On the positive side, he’s much more of the prototypical size of a pro-style quarterback than is Gio, and he’s also been playing and practicing against Big 10-level football players and defenses for the last few years. He’ll also have an OC with a reputation for being able to get the most out of quarterbacks. Everyone knows where I stand on this staff and this current experiment, so I obviously don’t need to rehash that, but I’ll wait and see how this goes before deciding it’s a bad pickup. Who knows, maybe he comes here and has a Chandler Morris-type season.
 
For Maryland in 2024 he did average 285 yards passing through 10 full games, which is good.

He seemed to struggle down the the stretch though, 54% completion percentage with 2 TDs vs 5 INTs in his final 4 games.
 
Admittedly I was holding out hope for Katin Houser from ECU. Watched them play a lot this season and was really impressed by him- and he grades out incredibly well on PFF, too. I tend to think that the high-level G5 > P4 QB path yields better results than the “four P4 schools in 4 years” path but I admit that may be too simplistic and is based only on my own personal observations/opinions.
 
Just got olineman. Andrew Threatt. RT from Charleston Southern. ,3 year starter. First team all conference. Had interest from FSU.
 
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