UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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I won’t speak for anyone else but my personal perspective on this is, it’s going to be a very worrisome day when I no longer feel passionate enough or care enough to comment on or critique our football program. We’re getting closer and closer with each passing season but we aren’t there yet. So until then, I plan to keep expressing my honest viewpoint on how I think things are going, and will continue to cheer for the team, hope the team wins and succeeds. And I really enjoy this thread because I think there are lots of reasonable, rational, knowledgeable folks on here whose opinions I value and enjoy.
 
Yea. Y'all are the outlier in the world though. But yea, that is probably the nature of message boards I know as you can imagine a ton of UNC food, went there so college buddies. BTW, lumbers love the Heels. I see and hear nothing like I do on here. But I am being serious. I felt a need to pushback at first but no longer. I'll.bringbwhat I know here and share. IC is same in hubert. Guy averages 25 wins a year and is 14-2 and we need to fire him now. Wonder what Dean would think about that? I say let's play the season. I got to go buy a car. Check in later.
Speak for yourself man. Maybe in your sphere all of the UNC people you know are still optimistic, but that’s not the case for me. Most of my college buddies have been checked out since halfway through the regular season. In the real world outside of just UNC fans though everyone else thinks that Belichick is a joke. That’s not even up for debate.
 
I won’t speak for anyone else but my personal perspective on this is, it’s going to be a very worrisome day when I no longer feel passionate enough or care enough to comment on or critique our football program. We’re getting closer and closer with each passing season but we aren’t there yet. So until then, I plan to keep expressing my honest viewpoint on how I think things are going, and will continue to cheer for the team, hope the team wins and succeeds. And I really enjoy this thread because I think there are lots of reasonable, rational, knowledgeable folks on here whose opinions I value and enjoy.
I’m getting closer. Same for basketball. Hubert’s style of bball has sucked a ton of joy out of it for me.

In regards to football, we did very similarly to last year in the portal. We maybe upgraded at QB. TE is better. OL is a huge concern. Petrino will have to mask a bad OL without real difference makers at the skill position. It’ll be better than this year cause it would be impossible not to be, but like mediocre at best. losing 2 of our top 3 DT is a problem, I think we only have 1 guy older than a sophomore in that rotation now. Needed a corner, hopefully the USF guy comes. LB isn’t great.
All that, and the schedule is much harder.
6 wins would be a miracle.
 
Speak for yourself man. Maybe in your sphere all of the UNC people you know are still optimistic, but that’s not the case for me. Most of my college buddies have been checked out since halfway through the regular season. In the real world outside of just UNC fans though everyone else thinks that Belichick is a joke. That’s not even up for debate.
Most of my friends long ago realized that UNC football is a joke, and Belichick is the just running the current version of it.
 
Most of my friends long ago realized that UNC football is a joke, and Belichick is the just running the current version of it.
Sure haha, most of my friends are the basketball first types too. I’m one of a small handful that still follows the football program as closely as basketball and hopes/thinks it can still be better than it has been the last 30 years. The way we’re handling the current situation might be the straw that breaks the camel’s back though.
 
FYI..I wrote that before your post but it posted after. It doesn't matter. At this point I am truly amused. In the posts above your zoo predicts a repeat of the hunting years. Someone says mayo bowl and the response is not that good. It's almost like a race to see who can most cleverly paint the future in the darkest shade.
I didn’t predict a repeat of the hunting (your spelling, not mine) years. I predicted hanging onto a failed coach (4-8 and 6-6 or 7-5 is a failed $10 million/year coach) and passing on another good/great college coach - that’s very UNC football.
 
I have to say the level of negativity on here Is really incredible. Comical really. Just say the same thing over and over but with different words.
Gun to your head -- what's our most likely record next year? No caveats or half measures. Of course there are lots we don't know but do your best to guess. Would be interested to know your true estimation.
 
I get where both Heel79 and CFordUNC are coming from - me personally I think this Belichick experiment is going to fail but I hope I'm wrong and they figure it out - I do think having just the one transfer window and having most of the incoming freshmen coming in early should help some
 
Sure haha, most of my friends are the basketball first types too. I’m one of a small handful that still follows the football program as closely as basketball and hopes/thinks it can still be better than it has been the last 30 years. The way we’re handling the current situation might be the straw that breaks the camel’s back though.
You don't have to be basketball first to believe the football program is hopeless. I had football season tickets for 18 years, so I'm far from a basketball firster.
 
We moved here in 1967.

Dad was a young faculty member. He’d played high school football in Florida. Prior to his JR season he was described as a “ferocious lineman” in Jacksonville, Ocala, and Gainesville papers. Point is that Dad was a big football fan. He wasn’t a pointy-headed academic who disliked sports.

We had season tickets on the upper deck of the visitor’s side….west of the press box. I always laugh about people complaining about the heat in Kenan. We roasted.

I remember Don McCauley and his 270 yards and 5 TD’s…..Paul Miller’s bootleg TD…..Lewis Jolley’s excellence…..Mike Voight and BOOM-BOOM Betterson…..

No one is going to tell me I don’t want UNC football to excel because I think the Belichick mess is stupid.
 
I get where both Heel79 and CFordUNC are coming from - me personally I think this Belichick experiment is going to fail but I hope I'm wrong and they figure it out - I do think having just the one transfer window and having most of the incoming freshmen coming in early should help some
I don’t fault fans for wanting to feel optimistic about the team. I don’t share that optimism, but they can believe what they want.

I draw the line when those people can’t see the other side of the coin and act incredulous that most people are being critical of the program. It’s absolutely not “comical” to feel negative about the state of the program considering everything that’s happened since Belichick took over lol.
 
A lot of this debate just happens because people approach fandom in different ways. Some people honestly believe that being a fan of a program means projecting a relentless positivity and excitement about the program at all times. So when they see other posters saying that they're not optimistic, they don't think it's going to work, the portal recruiting is disappointing, etc., they truly see the act of expressing those sorts of opinions as someone who must not really be a true fan. Because fans have to always be positive, supportive, etc. This sort of fan will ask you, when you express a negative opinion, "why do you cheer for a program when it seems to be so miserable for you to do it? Why not be more positive?" They truly don't understand how someone could be a fan of a program and also complain about it frequently.

But the fans who say "negative" things like that are still fans. We all want the program to win. But just because we want something to happen doesn't mean we have to believe or predict that it's going to happen. It's not like we can somehow manifest a great team by expressing only positive emotions about it.
 
As of now, pending any other commitments,
I’d say that the net grade of this year’s transfer portal haul taking into consideration both ingress and egress is probably around a C. We kind of did almost exactly what I was worried about in emphasizing stars and “name” and potential over productive experience, but I suppose I have to just trust that with a full year at the collegiate level under their belts, the staff got a lot better at talent evaluation. I do like some of the guys we’re bringing in- I like the production of the LB from Richmond, and I like the size of some of the OL and TE in particular. I think we downgraded a bit on the DL in terms of productive experience, and I don’t think we have yet brought in enough instant impact type OL. I don’t think we landed- or seemingly attempted to land- the “big game” at QB that we were told the staff was planning to hunt. So overall I’d give us a C/C+ in the portal, which seems about right for a class currently ranked 7th in the ACC. With the schedule we’re going to have we are going to desperately need for the staff to have hit it out of the park in evaluation and hope that an inordinate number of the guys who are coming in with limited experience and/or previous injuries exceed expectations.
Does the C- include losing the two starting DT's from last yr?
 
It does, and even that grade may have even been too generous given the loss of critical experience at one of the most important positions on the team.
ATM i'd go D+. The whole point of BB was to inject resources and do-more-with-less. I agree with heel79 that QB, TE, WR are improved vs last yr, but the QB part is marginal and I think we'll have to rely on true frosh for immediate contribution. Sure OL might be a push from huge question-mark to still giant question-mark.

But now do the D side.

Including grad we've lost:
2 starting DT
3 LB who were the only LB that played.
4 secondary starters.
Starting SSDE
Solid situational pass rusher in Thompson.

I like the flexibility that Jaylen Harvey and Hoilette give us. But otherwise...
 
ATM i'd go D+. The whole point of BB was to inject resources and do-more-with-less. I agree with heel79 that QB, TE, WR are improved vs last yr, but the QB part is marginal and I think we'll have to rely on true frosh for immediate contribution. Sure OL might be a push from huge question-mark to still giant question-mark.

But now do the D side.

Including grad we've lost:
2 starting DT
3 LB who were the only LB that played.
4 secondary starters.
Starting SSDE
Solid situational pass rusher in Thompson.

I like the flexibility that Jaylen Harvey and Hoilette give us. But otherwise...
Completely agree. It's just really difficult to see how the roster as currently constructed is going to move the needle against a much tougher schedule than the one against which we just went 4-8. And therein lies the problem: this staff is operating as if they have wide leeway for a 3-4+ year rebuild, and that simply is not the case (or, it tang well better not be the case, IMO).
 
Was Belichick a good NFL draft guru?

Or was he better with going after proven NFL players in free agency or the waiver wire?

My point is this - is he a good talent evaluator? We know his GM is not a good talent evaluator. No one in the NFL or college wanted to hire Mike Lombardi to evaluate or sign talent.
 
ATM i'd go D+. The whole point of BB was to inject resources and do-more-with-less. I agree with heel79 that QB, TE, WR are improved vs last yr, but the QB part is marginal and I think we'll have to rely on true frosh for immediate contribution. Sure OL might be a push from huge question-mark to still giant question-mark.

But now do the D side.

Including grad we've lost:
2 starting DT
3 LB who were the only LB that played.
4 secondary starters.
Starting SSDE
Solid situational pass rusher in Thompson.

I like the flexibility that Jaylen Harvey and Hoilette give us. But otherwise...
Personally I'm not convinced WR is better. Junior Shipp is theoretically an upgrade over Soph Shipp, and Kekahuna/Sadler seem likely to give good production in the slot, but the second outside receiver position is a huge question mark.
 
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