UNC Football Catch-All Thread | UNC bowl eligible

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heelinhell said:
Actually, I suggested he be given an administrative role as an incentive to step down as head coach. And I beg to differ with your characterization of my "mentality".

I have been a fan for over 50 years and delight in every victory an I am disappointed with every defeat. There are many fans who are never satisfied with the team even when they win. Less than a 10 win season isn't good enough. Going to a minor bowl is grounds for firing a coach.

It's those fans I pity. They are a miserable lot who never have and will never be happy with UNC football unless the football program reaches Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State heights.

Perfect example was the 2020 season . We finished in 18th in the country with an 8-4 season and all you could hear from many "fans" was "coulda, woulda, shoulda "

or the 9-5 2022 season...FIRE MACK BROWN !!!
or the 8-5 2023 season... I REALLY MEAN IT ! FIRE MACK BROWN !!!!!!
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This is the same flimsy straw man argument that every Mack supporter always presents. I don’t know a single UNC fan that actually expects us to be Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State. No meaningful segment of the fan base feels that way.
 
heelinhell said:
Actually, I suggested he be given an administrative role as an incentive to step down as head coach. And I beg to differ with your characterization of my "mentality".

I have been a fan for over 50 years and delight in every victory an I am disappointed with every defeat. There are many fans who are never satisfied with the team even when they win. Less than a 10 win season isn't good enough. Going to a minor bowl is grounds for firing a coach.

It's those fans I pity. They are a miserable lot who never have and will never be happy with UNC football unless the football program reaches Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State heights.

Perfect example was the 2020 season . We finished in 18th in the country with an 8-4 season and all you could hear from many "fans" was "coulda, woulda, shoulda "

or the 9-5 2022 season...FIRE MACK BROWN !!!
or the 8-5 2023 season... I REALLY MEAN IT ! FIRE MACK BROWN !!!!!!
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It wasn’t the 9-5 record in ‘22 that was bothersome; it was how it happened. 9-1 on November 12th to end the season at 9-5. The season included the ridiculous Appalachian State game (40 points in the 4th Q), barely sneaking by Georgia State, losing to Georgia Tech (were they on their 3rd string QB?), losing to ncsulol, getting blown out by Clemson who put their 2nd team QB in and he killed us.

The 8-5 season in 2023 wasn’t bothersome; it was how it happened. From 6-0 in October to 8-5 to end the season…..losing in embarrassing fashion to ncsulol and West Virginia. The App State and d00k wins were in Double OT.

The defense was atrocious both years.
 
heelinhell said:
Actually, I suggested he be given an administrative role as an incentive to step down as head coach. And I beg to differ with your characterization of my "mentality".

I have been a fan for over 50 years and delight in every victory an I am disappointed with every defeat. There are many fans who are never satisfied with the team even when they win. Less than a 10 win season isn't good enough. Going to a minor bowl is grounds for firing a coach.

It's those fans I pity. They are a miserable lot who never have and will never be happy with UNC football unless the football program reaches Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State heights.

Perfect example was the 2020 season . We finished in 18th in the country with an 8-4 season and all you could hear from many "fans" was "coulda, woulda, shoulda "

or the 9-5 2022 season...FIRE MACK BROWN !!!
or the 8-5 2023 season... I REALLY MEAN IT ! FIRE MACK BROWN !!!!!!
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The 2023 absolutely should have resulted in Coach Brown being forced to step down. That team should have won minimum 2 more games and likely 3-4 more with reasonable gameday prep and in-game coaching. While it's true that we shouldn't expect to be Alabama, we should expect to beat teams where we are clearly more talented and experienced. That didn't happen in 2023.
 
wmheel1287 said:
The 2023 absolutely should have resulted in Coach Brown being forced to step down. That team should have won minimum 2 more games and likely 3-4 more with reasonable gameday prep and in-game coaching. While it's true that we shouldn't expect to be Alabama, we should expect to beat teams where we are clearly more talented and experienced. That didn't happen in 2023.
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Well, part of coaching is building the team that is more talented and experienced. I think a lot of the Brown hate is based on his failure to do more with what he built. But that gives him no credit for building it in the first place. I remember well those Fedora, Bunting, Torbush abominations.

Brown needs to retire, and I believe he will. But his performance should be judged as a whole and not just for his inexplicable losses to bad teams.
 
wmheel1287 said:
The 2023 absolutely should have resulted in Coach Brown being forced to step down. That team should have won minimum 2 more games and likely 3-4 more with reasonable gameday prep and in-game coaching. While it's true that we shouldn't expect to be Alabama, we should expect to beat teams where we are clearly more talented and experienced. That didn't happen in 2023.
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There were 22 seasons between Mack Brown's coaching stints at UNC. Out of 22 seasons we had 5 seasons where we finished with more than 7 wins. We had 11 losing seasons during that period under 5 different coaches ( Davis was 0-10 over two seasons where his wins were vacated )

I'm not a big Mack Brown fan and will not be unhappy when he retires or is fired. The point I'm making is that if you look at our 100 year history under 17 different coaches, why does anyone expect Brown's replacement will be any better ?

I hope we will land the next Nick Saban who makes us a perennial top 10 or 20 team , but I'm not expecting it nor do I feel entitled to it...
 
heelinhell said:
There were 22 seasons between Mack Brown's coaching stints at UNC. Out of 22 seasons we had 5 seasons where we finished with more than 7 wins. We had 11 losing seasons during that period under 5 different coaches ( Davis was 0-10 over two seasons where his wins were vacated )

I'm not a big Mack Brown fan and will not be unhappy when he retires or is fired. The point I'm making is that if you look at our 100 year history under 17 different coaches, why does anyone expect Brown's replacement will be any better ?

I hope we will land the next Nick Saban who makes us a perennial top 10 or 20 team , but I'm not expecting it nor do I feel entitled to it...
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If we do land the next Nick Saban, he will leave for a P2 elite. So, a new coach won't solve that many problems. Still, Mack can't coach forever. His age is a recruiting liability at this point and his best years are behind him. At this point, it is in everyone's best interest for him to hang em up.
 
Calheel said:
If we do land the next Nick Saban, he will leave for a P2 elite. So, a new coach won't solve that many problems. Still, Mack can't coach forever. His age is a recruiting liability at this point and his best years are behind him. At this point, it is in everyone's best interest for him to hang em up.
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I agree with you 100%

It will not bother me a bit to see Mack hang 'em up. And I agree that should we hire a Nick Saban we would not be able to keep him over the long run.

We are not a football school with the legacy of the football schools. So if we do catch lightning in a bottle, a football school will snatch him up in a New York minute.

For that same reason Clemson and other football schools will never become a perennial top 10-15 basketball program. The difference is those football school fans don't feel entitled and don't get all bent out of shape about their basketball programs.

ETA: If we beat ncst, win our bowl game, and finish 8-5 ? That will be a season that makes me a happy fan☺️
 
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heelinhell said:
I agree with you 100%

It will not bother me a bit to see Mack hang 'em up. And I agree that should we hire a Nick Saban we would not be able to keep him over the long run.

We are not a football school with the legacy of the football schools. So if we do catch lightning in a bottle, a football school will snatch him up in a New York minute.

For that same reason Clemson and other football schools will never become a perennial top 10-15 basketball program. The difference is those football school fans don't feel entitled and don't get all bent out of shape about their basketball programs.

ETA: If we beat ncst, win our bowl game, and finish 8-5 ? That will be a season that makes me a happy fan☺️
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I already told @CFordUNC that I would only do a jig for 9 wins. 5 losses with the easiest UNC schedule in recent memory? That would not be very good. But I would at least enjoy a victory over the wuffies.
 
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