UNC System News -- All Campus' Will Switch to Canvas (Uniformity Sought)

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BlooVooDoo said:
This (medical programs at smaller state schools) will become more common over the next decade. The broader structure necessary for medical schools isn’t easy to rapidly scale up at long established campuses. They’re often in urban areas and adding students means adding buildings, faculty and hospital capacity. Creating new programs is cheaper and has the added benefit of helping underserved areas which may lack many specialities. There’s opportunity to save more money and ease the need to hire experienced administrators by having a larger flagship school handle the upper level administration.
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Until congress raises the cap on residency funding (1997) adding all these schools won’t amount to a hill o beans
 
kickazzz2000 said:
Until congress raises the cap on residency funding (1997) adding all these schools won’t amount to a hill o beans
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I thought they had done this, but the bill is still in committee. It should pass with broad bipartisan support if Johnson allows a vote on it.
 
donbosco said:
"UNC-Wilmington is seeking approval to launch a medical school that could open by 2029. As Kate Denning reports in today’s story, it would serve one of the fastest-growing regions of the state and use a model that puts medical residents into existing hospitals rather than trying to create a central teaching hospital affiliated with the school. Other medical schools in North Carolina don't seem to have any objections to these plans."

carolinapublicpress.org

Why UNC-Wilmington wants to launch a medical school

If UNCW wins approval for medical school, it would avoid a teaching hospital model, instead bringing residents to hospitals across SE NC.
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I think that this is a great idea. The whole area needs better options and ECU is not that close.
 
Mundial said:
Say what you will about ECU, this troubles me at a high level. ECU should not be having any more difficulty than the other UNC system schools not named UNC-Chapel Hill.
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non-flagship level publics are in for a world of hurt if they don’t have or can’t develop some niche programs that fulfill a need and attract applicants.
With that said, ECU is a big school and has enough students that it should be able to weather some enrollment loss without doing anything drastic.
 
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BlooVooDoo said:
non-flagship level publics are in for a world of hurt if they don’t have or can’t develop some niche programs that fulfill a need and attract applicants.
With that said, ECU is a big school and has enough students that it should be able to weather some enrollment loss without doing anything drastic.
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I'm just not sure if that is accurate that non-flagship schools will struggle. I think App, ECU and UNC Charlotte are probably going to be fine. Maybe even Wilmington would fall into that group.

I do think when you start looking at Pembroke, Western Carolina, UNC Asheville, A&t, UNC Central, Fayetteville State, they need to do some strategic planning now when there is time to do attrition based downsizing versus doing layoffs in the future.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I'm just not sure if that is accurate that non-flagship schools will struggle. I think App, ECU and UNC Charlotte are probably going to be fine. Maybe even Wilmington would fall into that group.

I do think when you start looking at Pembroke, Western Carolina, UNC Asheville, A&t, UNC Central, Fayetteville State, they need to do some strategic planning now when there is time to do attrition based downsizing versus doing layoffs in the future.
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While I predicted that many would struggle in my post, it’s based on knowing a little about the data we already have. We know overall college enrollment has been dropping yet most flagship/ co-flagship schools are at least holding steady if not growing. So that decline is coming from lower tier privates, comm colleges, and the regional publics. I’ll give you a few specific examples, but there are already dozens.
Marshall University experienced a ~15% drop from 2010-2023
Southern Illinois lost half its enrollment since 1990
Western Kentucky is down around a 20% from 2010
University of Toledo has lost half since 2010
Central Michigan’s enrollment is down half from 2010

Marshall’s enrollment has rebounded a little (certainly more so than WVU which is in dire straits). They’ve expanded the parts of OH and KY eligible for a “metro” tuition rate and added some undergrad healthcare majors and BS/MD program for a faster path to medical school. I don’t know to what extent those moves have made a difference rather than WV students staying in state simply for the cost savings, but they were in response to enrollment declines.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
While I predicted that many would struggle in my post, it’s based on knowing a little about the data we already have. We know overall college enrollment has been dropping yet most flagship/ co-flagship schools are at least holding steady if not growing. So that decline is coming from lower tier privates, comm colleges, and the regional publics. I’ll give you a few specific examples, but there are already dozens.
Marshall University experienced a ~15% drop from 2010-2023
Southern Illinois lost half its enrollment since 1990
Western Kentucky is down around a 20% from 2010
University of Toledo has lost half since 2010
Central Michigan’s enrollment is down half from 2010

Marshall’s enrollment has rebounded a little (certainly more so than WVU which is in dire straits). They’ve expanded the parts of OH and KY eligible for a “metro” tuition rate and added some undergrad healthcare majors and BS/MD program for a faster path to medical school. I don’t know to what extent those moves have made a difference rather than WV students staying in state simply for the cost savings, but they were in response to enrollment declines.
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So what would flagships be in this case if you were to transfer the data to North Carolina? I assume UNC and NC State. Would schools like ECU and Appalachian be in that flagship tier as defined by your data?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I'm just not sure if that is accurate that non-flagship schools will struggle. I think App, ECU and UNC Charlotte are probably going to be fine. Maybe even Wilmington would fall into that group.

I do think when you start looking at Pembroke, Western Carolina, UNC Asheville, A&t, UNC Central, Fayetteville State, they need to do some strategic planning now when there is time to do attrition based downsizing versus doing layoffs in the future.
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Agree with the overall sentiment. A&T is a reasonably big school and is a celebrated HBCU. I think it will be fine, but where is UNCG in your scenario? I think I would add UNCG in with ECU/App St/UNCC/UNCW
 
gtyellowjacket said:
So what would flagships be in this case if you were to transfer the data to North Carolina? I assume UNC and NC State. Would schools like ECU and Appalachian be in that flagship tier as defined by your data?
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No. I would not put ECU and Appalachian, or any other public NC college outside of UNC and NCSU in that tier.
 
Mundial said:
I think that this is a great idea. The whole area needs better options and ECU is not that close.
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You make a great point. Because of I-40, the driving time from Wilmington to either Chapel Hill or Greenville are about the same. I would have never guessed that.
 
farce© said:
Agree with the overall sentiment. A&T is a reasonably big school and is a celebrated HBCU. I think it will be fine, but where is UNCG in your scenario? I think I would add UNCG in with ECU/App St/UNCC/UNCW
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Whatever the hell UNC-W did 20 years ago-UNC-G needs to do now
 
BlooVooDoo said:
No. I would not put ECU and Appalachian, or any other public NC college outside of UNC and NCSU in that tier.
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So the follow-up is that tier would struggle with enrollment? Any idea how much they might contract?

Any idea which of the Unc system schools would be forced to close all together due to declining enrollment?
 
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My grandson will be enrolling UNC and hopes to go to medical school. I think he will have a good chance of being accepted in UNC-CH medical school, but it is nice to see there are may be alternatives if he is not accepted.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
So the follow-up is that tier would struggle with enrollment? Any idea how much they might contract?
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I would simply say schools in that tier are at risk. College enrollment is dropping and it will likely accelerate with the demographic cliff and a challenging economy. Colleges have always competed for students, but the stakes will be higher and the competition fiercer than in the past, especially for those schools in states where the flagship U is intent on growing.
I should also say that I don’t think many publics will close. There will be state legislators who have a vested interest in keeping a college open in their districts. But they will be tinkered with and the tinkering may look more like a triple amputation. Programs and jobs will be cut. Tenure track positions may become a minority of instructional staff. But outright closure should be rare.
 
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BlooVooDoo said:
There will be state legislators who have a vested interest in keeping a college open in their districts.
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Brings to mind an old State govt Lore
A and T originated the Vet School idea-brought it BOG-Bill Friday
About that time they had a Really Bad Financial Audit-headline worthy-maybe jail time
So a deal was cut-UNC Raleigh got the Vet School and the A and T audit was buried
 
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