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Silence Dogood said:
Right, how convenient the laws were already broken and now pretending to take the high road and want to be the defender of all things law abiding. Fraud.
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You will again be surprised to learn that lawyers swear an oath to uphold the law and the Constitution.

If you move the goalposts any farther, they're going to cross a border illegally.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Why have no vetting and bring in any type of crime if crime is already a problem. Basic common sense. You want to fight crime by adding to it, dumb. We can't deport citizens, more common sense. You're defending the indefensible. So maybe solve our issues and not bring anymore of it in, I know its complicated for you
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We can't deport citizens ? That has been true on earth 1, but you need to ask Trump if that remains the case on earth 2...

 
"So what legal rules were followed during the illegal entry?"

Almost half of the people in the US illegally entered the country legally. They entered on a tourist (or other type of) visa and simply overstayed their limit. So this question is irrelevant.
 

U.S. citizen DHS detained for 10 days has intellectual disabilities, family claims​


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U.S. citizen DHS detained for 10 days has intellectual disabilities, family claims

Jose Hermosillo, a U.S. citizen who was detained by DHS for 10 days and prosecuted for illegal entry into the U.S. has intellectual disabilities, his family claims.
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“… Jose Hermosillo was arrested on April 8 by CBP in Tucson and detained for 10 days. His family provided documentation proving his American citizenship, days after being taken into custody, according to court records and Department of Homeland Security assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin.

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In a phone interview Tuesday, Hermosillo's parents told CBS News their son suffers from intellectual disabilities, cannot read or write and has trouble speaking. They said he could not have possibly known what he was signing when he was detained.

"He's never been able to read and was always in special education classes in school," Guadalupe Hermosillo, Hermosillo's mother, said in Spanish.

According to his family, Hermosillo lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico, but was in Tucson earlier this month visiting his girlfriend's family. He left his girlfriend's relative's home and wandered away during the night, and it was during this walk that Hermosillo was detained by CBP, his parents said.

… Details of the arrest remain unclear. The initial April 9 criminal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court in Arizona by a Border Patrol agent says Hermosillo was found "at or near Nogales, Arizona without the proper immigration documents." The document referred to Hermosillo as an "alien" and charged him with "improper entry," a misdemeanor offense.

…But DHS later stated that he was arrested in Tucson. According to court documents, Hermosillo told the judge he was a U.S. citizen during his first appearance. A day later, Hermosillo's U.S. birth certificate was made available to the judge.

… When CBS News spoke with Hermosillo, he appeared to be distraught and confused. He said he cried every night at the detention center, describing it as a very cold place filled with sick people who were constantly coughing. …”

 
farce© said:
"So what legal rules were followed during the illegal entry?"

Almost half of the people in the US illegally entered the country legally. They entered on a tourist (or other type of) visa and simply overstayed their limit. So this question is irrelevant.
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but I would like to how many of those who overstayed their visa are black or brown people; those are the ones we need to round up and rendition to El Salvador !
 
Silence Dogood said:
Prove to me you were for due process coming into the country illegally.
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This doesn't even make any sense. There's literally no such thing as due process at the border. Due process is something given to a person who is about to be deprived of "life, liberty or property" by the government. It's right there in the 14th Amendment. There's no such thing as "due process" for the bank robbery; it only makes sense as applied to the bank robber after being caught.

There is due process required for adverse adjustments of status, because the result can be deprivation of life, liberty or process. At no point in our history were we unable to afford due process requirements, and we don't know. Trump somehow convinces you that everything everyone has done in the past was wrong, and that he will fix it. The empirical evidence, though, confirms that Trump is wrong. It turns out that the collective wisdom of our previous administrations -- presidents, cabinet members, policy makers, economists, lawyers, etc. -- was far superior to the superstitions of a failed business man turned reality TV star.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Right, how convenient the laws were already broken and now pretending to take the high road and want to be the defender of all things law abiding. Fraud.
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No laws were broken in the majority of cases, and certainly the vast majority of the migration under Biden you're complaining about.

The laws require people who want to claim asylum present at a port of entry, describe a credible fear to a consular official, and then show up for a hearing at which the eligibility for asylum is determined. The alien can be and usually is paroled in, because we don't have any room or desire to lock them up, and thus the alien's presence is perfectly legal.

It's amazing to me that you have so little self-respect that you're willing to repeatedly humiliate yourself trying to argue law with a bunch of highly trained legal professionals.
 
Silence Dogood said:
What about the president oath to defend and protect?
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1. The oath applies to defending the constitution. Which Trump is not doing and every other president did at least to some degree.
2. The oath does not define the president's responsibilities. Article 2 says nothing about defending and protecting (except within the oath). Article 2 does require the executive to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." See that. They even capitalized Laws to make it easier for you to understand.
 
superrific said:
This doesn't even make any sense. There's literally no such thing as due process at the border. Due process is something given to a person who is about to be deprived of "life, liberty or property" by the government. It's right there in the 14th Amendment. There's no such thing as "due process" for the bank robbery; it only makes sense as applied to the bank robber after being caught.

There is due process required for adverse adjustments of status, because the result can be deprivation of life, liberty or process. At no point in our history were we unable to afford due process requirements, and we don't know. Trump somehow convinces you that everything everyone has done in the past was wrong, and that he will fix it. The empirical evidence, though, confirms that Trump is wrong. It turns out that the collective wisdom of our previous administrations -- presidents, cabinet members, policy makers, economists, lawyers, etc. -- was far superior to the superstitions of a failed business man turned reality TV star.
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Citizens lives are affected by illegal crossings, wheres their due process? Child trafficking on the border? Where's the children due process? You keep defending criminals, I'm not. You keep losing elections, weird.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Citizens lives are affected by illegal crossings, wheres their due process? Child trafficking on the border? Where's the children due process? You keep defending criminals, I'm not. You keep losing elections, weird.
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Do you think private individuals owe other private individuals due process? Fire up the search engine again.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Citizens lives are affected by illegal crossings, wheres their due process? Child trafficking on the border? Where's the children due process? You keep defending criminals, I'm not. You keep losing elections, weird.
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Citizens' lives are also affected by cars who drive recklessly or over the speed limit. Where's my due process? What does due process even look like?

The trafficked children don't need due process. It doesn't make sense. What they need is to be protected by the law. That protection takes the form of criminal sanctions against trafficking and prosecution of traffickers. It's really that simple. The government should a) pass laws; b) enforce laws; and c) follow the laws. What you don't understand is that the laws are far more complicated than you could ever know, because there's so much more involved than you can even imagine.
 
He repeatedly shows us he can't properly use possessive case. It's pretty clear English isn't his first language.

"What about the president oath to defend and protect?" "Where's the children due process?"
 
nycfan said:
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Eek. Depending on what "boycott" means, this is unconstitutional. There was a case involving a town's boycott of Burma. I don't remember if it was the town just boycotting with its own purchases, or if it laid down some contracting rule that would extend beyond just the government. The former is maybe legal (don't remember the specifics); the latter is not, to the best of my knowledge. It's been a while since I've looked at this, though.
 
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