US STRIKES VENEZUELA / CAPTURES MADURO

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Well, yeah, people ARE fixated on the POTUS declaring we “run” Venezuela now and subsequent reporting that the U.S. Secretary of State/(Acting) National Security Advisor/US Archivist will run Venezuela for the Administration.

 
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Trump quote from yesterday: “American dominance in the Western Hemisphere will never be questioned again."

Note the use of the word dominance. No other American president would consider using language like that. Good or bad, the talked about spread democracy not dominance.

But how dare anyone compare Trump to Hitler.
 
altmin said:
I hope I live long enough to see Marco Rubio die in prison.
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Just curious why you say that about Rubio since some people are saying he will be on the Republican ticket? I have, since the first time he appeared on the National stage thought lowly of him. But I don't have much to base that on except that early on in his appearance on stage he was known as an incompetent at managing his own finances even coming close to bankruptcy. I assume that problem has disappeared. Perhaps he figured out how to monetized his recent political offices to cover his personal deficits.
 
Gotta admit, as legally wrong as it is, it’s pretty damn impressive what Marco has been able to pull off here. The expat community in south Florida has been trying to do something like this for 60+ years. Marco figured out how to get it done by appealing to Trump’s love of big oil and his desire to rule the Americas as an emperor.
 
nycfan said:
“… Weeks earlier, U.S. officials had already settled on an acceptable candidate to replace Mr. Maduro, at least for the time being: Vice President Delcy Rodríguez, who had impressed Trump officials with her management of Venezuela’s crucial oil industry.

The people involved in the discussions said intermediaries persuaded the administration that she would protect and champion future American energy investments in the country.

… It was an easy choice, the people said. Mr. Trump had never warmed up to the Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, who had organized a winning presidential campaign in 2024, earning her the Nobel Peace Prize this year.

Since Mr. Trump’s re-election, Ms. Machado has gone out of her way to please him, calling him a “champion of freedom,” mimicking his talking points on election fraud in the United States and even dedicating her Peace Prize to him.

It was in vain. On Saturday, Mr. Trump said he would accept Ms. Rodríguez, saying that Ms. Machado lacked the “respect” needed to govern Venezuela….”
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It sounds like Maduro’s government effectively gave him up in a negotiated deal. The U.S. could have probably taken custody of Maduro without putting on a big show. However, the big show may help to control what the US believes will now be a puppet government.
 
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FLASHBACK - First Trump Administration

Back when Congress still functioned as a branch of government with meaningful oversight functions, Fiona Hill gave Congressional testimony back in 2019 primarily about Trump/Giuliani pressure on Ukraine to investigate Burisma.

Transcript here: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/..._Z76ZZqHNqBWhoBirA_aem_C2EQbFuejw63gxtBuJPY1Q

There were a few interesting (concerning?) mentions of a Russian suggestion that they would trade Russian non-interference in Venezuela for U.S. non-interference in Ukraine that may just be a historical artifact but could also be relevant today:

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That's exactly what has happened here.
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...and we have jurisdiction in protecting Europe here how?
 
SnoopRob said:
I wonder what it's like to be Marco Rubio and know that you're on national tv saying really stupid stuff in support of a president who doesn't respect you at all?
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Do you really think he cares? Rubio isn’t trying to look smart or respected, he’s getting policies enacted that were impossible before Trump. These are things he’s wanted for decades. The collapse of Bolivarianism in Caracas directly weakens Cuba, which has always been the real prize for him. Whether it looks embarrassing on TV is completely irrelevant to someone finally achieving long-standing strategic goals.
 
Paine said:
Do you really think he cares? Rubio isn’t trying to look smart or respected, he’s getting policies enacted that were impossible before Trump. These are things he’s wanted for decades. The collapse of Bolivarianism in Caracas directly weakens Cuba, which has always been the real prize for him. Whether it looks embarrassing on TV is completely irrelevant to someone finally achieving long-standing strategic goals.
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I know you're a person who has big political goals...would you be willing to go on national tv and look like an absolute clown - knowing that everyone you know and love is seeing you look like an absolute clown - to have one step of a small portion of those goals realized?
 
SnoopRob said:
I know you're a person who has big political goals...would you be willing to go on national tv and look like an absolute clown - knowing that everyone you know and love is seeing you look like an absolute clown - to have one step of a small portion of those goals realized?
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Rubio doesn’t experience this as humiliation in the way you or I would. He’s already accepted reputational loss as the price of achieving policy outcomes he’s wanted for decades, his very presence in the Trump administration is proof of that.

From his perspective, the embarrassment is temporary, while the structural damage to Venezuela, and the downstream pressure on Cuba, is durable. Looking stupid on TV isn’t a meaningful constraint anymore, and it hasn’t been for a while. This is simply how political power operates in an America ten years out from Trump.
 
Paine said:
Do you really think he cares? Rubio isn’t trying to look smart or respected, he’s getting policies enacted that were impossible before Trump. These are things he’s wanted for decades. The collapse of Bolivarianism in Caracas directly weakens Cuba, which has always been the real prize for him. Whether it looks embarrassing on TV is completely irrelevant to someone finally achieving long-standing strategic goals.
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Perhaps Marco is getting policies he wants. But there's a long way to go from actually having success with this Trump/Rubio gunboat policy they got going. At some point, there may be boat loads of Cubans and Venezuelans headed for the United States when chaos results from their non-existent day after policy. It will be interesting how they go about handling that.
 
Ramrouser said:
The US didn’t bomb their country (highly orchestrated surgical strike) and we’re not going to take their oil. The goal is for Venezuela to be a prosperous ally with the infusion of freedom and capitalism.
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BS. If that were true, Trump would not have picked the COMMUNIST VP to be the leader instead of non-communist Marchado. Darcy Rodriguez was chosen because she could deliver the OIL.
 
nycfan said:
“… Weeks earlier, U.S. officials had already settled on an acceptable candidate to replace Mr. Maduro, at least for the time being: Vice President Delcy Rodríguez, who had impressed Trump officials with her management of Venezuela’s crucial oil industry.

The people involved in the discussions said intermediaries persuaded the administration that she would protect and champion future American energy investments in the country.

… It was an easy choice, the people said. Mr. Trump had never warmed up to the Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, who had organized a winning presidential campaign in 2024, earning her the Nobel Peace Prize this year.

Since Mr. Trump’s re-election, Ms. Machado has gone out of her way to please him, calling him a “champion of freedom,” mimicking his talking points on election fraud in the United States and even dedicating her Peace Prize to him.

It was in vain. On Saturday, Mr. Trump said he would accept Ms. Rodríguez, saying that Ms. Machado lacked the “respect” needed to govern Venezuela….”
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It's about the Oil (and lithium). Darcy delivers. Trump DGAF about Communism. His chain migration father-in-law was a card-carrying communist in Slovenia.
 
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