War on Universities, Lawyers & Expertise

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Ramrouser said:
Easy for you to say, you’re a white, Christian guy living in north Atlanta. You have no idea he fear and intimidation the Jewish students felt during the “protests”
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I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.

And I have had my share of fear and intimidation in my life.

I don't believe you know me well enough to make such statements.
 
Healing said:
Do you genuinely think he doesn’t know?

I’m of the impression he’s a doddering troll.
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No, he knows that one. Some of the others, like concurrent jurisdiction, he didn't.

The point here is that true professionals don't use professional language carelessly even outside of work. Or at least they shouldn't. If we had an accountant on the board who would repeatedly say "evade" taxes as a synonym for "avoid" taxes -- what would you think of that person? You'd think they were maybe not actually an accountant, because no accountant would misuse language that way. It becomes so ingrained as to be second nature.

Or a physician who would refer to the antibiotic properties of Tamiflu? That's an antiviral, not an antibiotic. While laypeople might confuse the two terms, no doctor should. Never. That's a mistake for Fletch the doctor.

No attorney should ever mistake civil and criminal liability because the proper uses of those terms should be second nature. I never once had a law student refer to civil liability as "guilty." Not once. That's because, by the second year of law school, descriptors of liability have become second nature. And while I wasn't teaching at a school as dreadfully terrible as Mercer, it wasn't a top 20 law school either.
 
Ramrouser said:
I’ve tried two cases in the last two weeks. You play a lawyer on a message board (never practicing law in your career). Seems like you’re now mooching on your wife and being a tough guy online.
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Actually, I did practice law for a little while. First, I clerked on the DC Circuit. Then I worked at Wachtell Lipton Rosen and Katz, where I made as much $$ in two years than you make in a decade. Then I worked at Jones Day, alongside Trump SG Noel Francisco, Trump apppointed Judge Katsas and others. My name is on two more SCOTUS briefs than your name. I did not actually argue before the SCOTUS, true.

Oh, I bought real estate in Brooklyn in the early 2000s. Wanna guess how much money I made on that? It's true that my wife earns most of the income these days (except for my dividends). It's also true that she had about $75K of debt from her previous marriage, which I paid off with a check the day after we got married.

No person in their right mind would ever hire you as an attorney over me, because I could learn in one month everything you know and the reverse is not nearly true. And this is why we have bar admission requirements. It's to prevent lawyers like you from having to compete with lawyers like me, who are not licensed in Georgia.
 
Ramrouser said:
Because Columbia was guilty AF.
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Quite apart from your comical terminology, it was not "liable AF." It's a complex fact-intensive inquiry that could go either way in court (based on my limited knowledge). But the remedy for that is NOT the termination of all federal funding. There are remedies provided for by law, and a single violation does not result in that sort of remedy (unless there is willful defiance, as in the case of Bob Jones U). That's why Trump had to break the law to withhold that money, and why it is so tragic that SCOTUS has decided to no longer be a judicial body.
 
Healing said:
Do you genuinely think he doesn’t know?

I’m of the impression he’s a doddering troll.
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I should add that there is a consequence to the garbage terminology. Criminal liability is frequently (perhaps usually) binary. Like, if you're criminally liable for anything more than a trivial misdemeanor, the fact of conviction is harmful even if the sentence is light. Civil liability, by contrast, is a matter of gradation. IIRC, the USFL actually prevailed in its antitrust case against the NFL. It was awarded $1 in damages -- i.e. essentially nothing (which would have been true even for $100K or even $1M for the deep pockets of the NFL).
 
Ramrouser said:
Oh and you have emotional and mental issues. IQ ain’t everything.
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Ooh, what a burn, highlighting something that I freely admit to as part of my way of dealing with my condition.

Look, if you wouldn't spout off on topics you know nothing about, I wouldn't have reason to school you. And even if I did, I wouldn't. Posters who make mistakes minus the arrogance of ignorance don't get mocked by me. It's just a mistake. Everyone makes them. It's the true bullshitters that draw my ire, and that's independent of ideology (roughly speaking). I was as hard as Ovshinsky on the old board as any right winger.

Or maybe you could at least make some effort to be factually or analytically sound. Like, if your posts were simply incorrect rather than horseshit, it changes the meaning of your posting.
 
korgguy1971 said:
I think this is what MAGA nation misses about authoritarian ire. It never ends. They think they're in the ingroup and are safe, but this is transient at best, and it's only a matter of time before the "didn't think the leopards would eat my face" folks find themselves in the outgroup getting their faces eaten by leopards.
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Yep. After taking power and gaining total control of the German government, the Nazis conducted a purge of their own party members. It was called the "Night of the Long Knives" and leaders of the Nazi brownshirts, or SA, were killed as they were seen as a threat by other party members and organizations. Up to 1,000 people may have been killed in the purge, and another thousand or so were imprisoned. The leader of the brownshirts, Ernest Rohm, was murdered, as were other party members who were seen as not totally loyal to Hitler and the party, or a potential threat to his power. Some of those killed were members of the pre-Nazi German Establishment who had joined the Nazis when they took power, but were viewed as still not 100% on board. Look at how MAGAs have treated diehard conservatives who have dared to criticize Dear Leader - Cheney, Romney, Pence - and it's obvious that even Trumpers are not safe from his wrath, or his supporters. MAGA will quickly come after them if they are not loudly loyal 100% of the time. That's how cults operate.
 
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tarheelbillie said:
Is this not extortion? Is anyone really watching where these large payments finally land? Remember that one of Trump’s early acts was to fire many of the federal inspector generals. Folks, the fox is guarding the henhouse.
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When the FBI was being purged months ago I wondered if those that have the expertise to investigate financial crimes, especially crypto/cyber, were canned. That was before the corruption was right out in the open. I have no doubts now that people that would look into trumps crypto scam are long gone.
 
rodoheel said:
I just want ANY university to stand up this bullshit. Even if it's freaking Duke. SOMEBODY make these thugs actually have to explain in front of a judge what it is they say the schools did wrong. I'm begging you.
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Harvard did. They went to court multiple times, and won multiple times.

The problem is that the administration doesn't care whether the schools did anything wrong. The investigation is the point. The harassment is the point.

It's not a schools-caving problem. It's a SCOTUS problem. What are schools supposed to do when they see that SCOTUS has stayed like 15 injunctions in a row involving Trump overstepping his authority? Why litigate to get an injunction if the court is just going to stay it?

This is why I say SCOTUS is no longer a court and needs to be institutionally destroyed. Their goal is to decrease litigation against the administration's rampant illegality, so they don't have to confront the hellscape they created. They just stay judgments without thinking, and go home to their wives with flags and lucrative jobs placing clerks with law firms. Meanwhile, in the real world, what to do?
 
superrific said:
Harvard did. They went to court multiple times, and won multiple times.

The problem is that the administration doesn't care whether the schools did anything wrong. The investigation is the point. The harassment is the point.

It's not a schools-caving problem. It's a SCOTUS problem. What are schools supposed to do when they see that SCOTUS has stayed like 15 injunctions in a row involving Trump overstepping his authority? Why litigate to get an injunction if the court is just going to stay it?

This is why I say SCOTUS is no longer a court and needs to be institutionally destroyed. Their goal is to decrease litigation against the administration's rampant illegality, so they don't have to confront the hellscape they created. They just stay judgments without thinking, and go home to their wives with flags and lucrative jobs placing clerks with law firms. Meanwhile, in the real world, what to do?
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Yeah, the problem is that, in the real world, the best research institutions in the history of the world (elite American universities) are dependent on federal funding. Trump and his MAGA enablers picked up on that dependency and are using it to extort those universities into politically-advantageous settlements in order to keep the federal funds flowing.

The end result will be that the universities either (a) drop or massively curtail their research efforts, or (b) jettison the government and look to other sources for funding, which means the funding will be a tiny fraction of what we've been able to do by pooling our resources through federal grants. Whatever the specific result, the outcome will be less scientific research, worse medical and technological outcomes for Americans, and an acceleration of the shift from the US to China as the center of the R&D universe.

So congrats, MAGA? You score points against your bogeymen in the short term, I guess. But all of us will suffer in the long term.
 
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