War on Universities, Lawyers & Expertise

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nycfan said:
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I hadn’t seen this. Pinker is like the third or fourth high profile personality to dissociate from that “institution” in the last year or so.

I wish we still had access to the old ZZL. There was a thread on UATX when it was first annnounced and some of the comments and predictions would be fun to revisit.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I hadn’t seen this. Pinker is like the third or fourth high profile personality to dissociate from that “institution” in the last year or so.

I wish we still had access to the old ZZL. There was a thread on UATX when it was first annnounced and some of the comments and predictions would be fun to revisit.
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Pinker "disassociated" from UATX a few years ago.
 
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The author suggests towards the end that the rightward turn of UATX was not inevitable - that many of the people involved really believed at the outset that it could be a place where truly open dialogue occurred and all viewpoints were welcome to be asserted and challenged without fear of judgment or cancellation. I think I would counter that regardless of what some of the people involved believed, it was always obvious that the people with the power - or more importantly, the money - wanted it to function as an "anti-woke" institution where you were, of course, allowed to challenge and undermine liberal/progressive orthodoxy but not actually free to challenge the ideological tenets of the leaders themselves.
 
CFordUNC said:
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This goes to why I often say that the decline in media institutions and trust has as much or more to do with the audience as it does with the media entities themselves. I don't want to suggest that media companies are blameless for the degradation of their products and public trust in them, because they aren't, but IMO the biggest factor is simply that the broader audience would rather have flamethrowing editorials and "infotainment" than truly impartial news reporting. (And part of the reason the public has become that way is the flood of disinformation, especially but not exclusively coming from the right-wing direction, that has been yelling at people for decades not to trust the legacy media, mostly out of pure profit motive for themselves.)
 
Trump administration uses the pretext of antis
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Trump can’t allow any appearance of resistance to his demands working.
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They are fighting antisemitism by employing actual antisemites and using Nazi propaganda.

But it is just the messaging, not the policies that are horrible.
 
rodoheel said:
The author suggests towards the end that the rightward turn of UATX was not inevitable - that many of the people involved really believed at the outset that it could be a place where truly open dialogue occurred and all viewpoints were welcome to be asserted and challenged without fear of judgment or cancellation. I think I would counter that regardless of what some of the people involved believed, it was always obvious that the people with the power - or more importantly, the money - wanted it to function as an "anti-woke" institution where you were, of course, allowed to challenge and undermine liberal/progressive orthodoxy but not actually free to challenge the ideological tenets of the leaders themselves.
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Both siders fooled by liars/grifters, who could have seen it coming?
 
CRHeel94 said:
This should go well.

It really is incredible how they're going after academia, one of America's huge competitive advantages.
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Take a wise man with wonderful judgment. Run everything he does through a NOT gate. Then you have Trump.

So, not that incredible though I know what you mean and you're of course right.
 
My god, this version of "government" sucks. I mean I really fucking hate it. The right are literally trashing our country in realtime. Why did this have to happen?
 
CRHeel94 said:
This should go well.

It really is incredible how they're going after academia, one of America's huge competitive advantages.
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MAGAs hate the college-educated and resent them bitterly, especially college professors, who as we all know are nothing but a bunch of useless, worthless far-left Marxist godless radicals who are brainwashing college kids into changing their genders and other demonic stuff. And even their college-educated leaders (Trump, Vance, Miller, etc.) love playing on their resentments to enact their own agenda, which is to abolish anything that they think leans left and to impose a new conservative curriculum on as many colleges and universities as possible. Basically, Prager U, Liberty U, and Hillsdale College at every American university. It's the same kind of social resentment that has led Trump to rename the Kennedy Center after himself and take it over. As to how they're hurting America in the long run, they don't care, because most of the MAGA base doesn't see the benefits.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
MAGAs hate the college-educated and resent them bitterly, especially college professors, who as we all know are nothing but a bunch of useless, worthless far-left Marxist godless radicals who are brainwashing college kids into changing their genders and other demonic stuff. And even their college-educated leaders (Trump, Vance, Miller, etc.) love playing on their resentments to enact their own agenda, which is to abolish anything that they think leans left and to impose a new conservative curriculum on as many colleges and universities as possible. Basically, Prager U, Liberty U, and Hillsdale College at every American university. It's the same kind of social resentment that has led Trump to rename the Kennedy Center after himself and take it over. As to how they're hurting America in the long run, they don't care, because most of the MAGA base doesn't see the benefits.
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I don't think maga really hates higher education. Someone with a bachelor degree is almost as likely to be a Republican as they are a democrat. People with only a high school education are almost as likely to be Democrat as they are Republican. It's within a couple of percentage points. People without a high school education are much more likely to be Republican while people with advanced degrees are much more likely to be Democrat but those numbers are relatively small when compared to the overall population of voters.

I do think Maga doesn't like the perceived liberal bent on college campuses, real or imagined. I also think that Republicans in general would like to cut down on some of the administrative bloat at universities. I think they're right on that.

I think many would like to move away from liberal arts to focus harder on the sciences almost exclusively. I think they're probably wrong on that in most cases.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think maga really hates higher education. Someone with a bachelor degree is almost as likely to be a Republican as they are a democrat. People with only a high school education are almost as likely to be Democrat as they are Republican. It's within a couple of percentage points. People without a high school education are much more likely to be Republican while people with advanced degrees are much more likely to be Democrat but those numbers are relatively small when compared to the overall population of voters.

I do think Maga doesn't like the perceived liberal bent on college campuses, real or imagined. I also think that Republicans in general would like to cut down on some of the administrative bloat at universities. I think they're right on that.

I think many would like to move away from liberal arts to focus harder on the sciences almost exclusively. I think they're probably wrong on that in most cases.
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You sure about those numbers? The differences here look starker than that:

www.pewresearch.org

Wide divide between voters with and without college degrees continues to be a major factor in Trump-era elections

www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

Also I think it's entirely fair to say that MAGA has a general disdain for higher education, no matter how you want to frame it. The whole movement is built around resentment towards "elites" (by which they mean not rich people, but highly educated people - and especially, as you alluded to, highly educated people with a background in liberal arts and the "soft sciences" who have expertise in any particular subject matter). There are absolutely some highly educated people who are part of their coalition, but they are happy to cynically repeat the same critiques of higher education - and the highly educated - without acknowledging the benefit they received from their own education (or by using some sort of "to beat the enemy, I had to understand how he thinks" sort of logic).

If there is any general animating principle behind MAGA other than Trump worship, it is a disdain for educated coastal "elites" who use big fancy words, and the institutions where those people are educated that, as you note, they believe are indoctrinating their students with liberal ideology. Just listen to a monologue from the main character of any Taylor Sheridan show if you need a mission statement of why MAGA believes those people are the enemy and the "real Americans" are people who work with their hands and use 1- and 2-syllable words.
 
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