We, the Hivemind Examine Vince Gilligan's "Plur1bus"

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an0maly said:
Carol's reaction was delayed horror. I think she recognized children, or babies as well, as the source for the "milk" that feeds all the hivemind brains. We have seen no young children, and of course, they would not add much to the hivemind.

I need to say, this episode had one of the most idiotic things I have seen in any show, in the depiction of wolves as spending time trying to dig up a grave, and not running when threatened by a human. Wolves would hunt animals, and are highly intelligent about avoiding people. These also were out of place unless released from a zoo, and also many miles out of place if endangered red wolves. Just really idiotic.

However, it seems really problematic to make them all into their special "milk," as human brains must, (we think?), still reproduce for the hivemind to continue. Are they making dead ones into milk and keeping the others sequestered apart in some way?
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A few things re: the wolves. While it is a very small population, New Mexico does have wild Mexican gray wolves, which have been spotted near Albuquerque. Apart from that, Albuquerque is home to Albuquerque BioPark which just opened a wolf conservation facility that breeds and rehabilitates Mexican gray wolves. This did not exist at the time the show was being filmed (it just opened within the past few weeks), but it’s possible the writers were aware that it would be there. Even if that was not contemplated, however, Albuquerque BioPark is a zoo that has been located in Albuquerque and has been the home to some wolves. I believe there was a reference made in an earlier episode to animals being released from captivity.

As for digging up the body, wolves are scavengers (in addition to being hunters/predators) and have been known to dig up shallow graves (which this was). Perhaps it makes sense that in a place where only one person remains and virtually no remnants of food are left behind by anyone other than this one person, the wolves find her home through their prowess in picking up scents. And while wolves generally avoid people, they do sometimes become aggressive if people attempt to approach them while they are feeding as they may perceive the person approaching as a threat to their food source, resulting in them becoming defensive.
 
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Will we find out the intent of the aliens who sent the code for the virus?

Some people think that that isn’t the point of the show and that may never be revealed. I hope that that is not the case.
 
Icky Mettle said:
A few things re: the wolves. While it is a very small population, New Mexico does have wild Mexican gray wolves, which have been spotted near Albuquerque. Apart from that, Albuquerque is home to Albuquerque BioPark which just opened a wolf conservation facility that breeds and rehabilitates Mexican gray wolves. This did not exist at the time the show was being filmed (it just opened within the past few weeks), but it’s possible the writers were aware that it would be there. Even if that was not contemplated, however, Albuquerque BioPark is a zoo that has been located in Albuquerque and has been the home to some wolves. I believe there was a reference made in an earlier episode to animals being released from captivity.

As for digging up the body, wolves are scavengers (in addition to being hunters/predators) and have been known to dig up shallow graves (which this was). Perhaps it makes sense that in a place where only one person remains and virtually no remnants of food are left behind by anyone other than this one person, the wolves find her home through their prowess in picking up scents. And while wolves generally avoid people, they do sometimes become aggressive if people attempt to approach them while they are feeding as they may perceive the person approaching as a threat to their food source, resulting in them becoming defensive.
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Owls are a vastly greater threat to attack people than wolves are. This ends with this post for me; a digression for some other place/time, but films and TV have presented an insanely false depiction of these animals thousands of times over, one straight out of mythology. A jackass human walked towards a pack of huge wolves (not the smaller red or Mexican) in Yellowstone, and they looked at him like the fool he was and did nothing.

Are wolves dangerous to humans? New report shares key detail

Are wolves dangerous to humans? According to new research. the risks associated with a wolf attack are “above zero, but far too low to calculate.”
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ChapelHillSooner said:
Will we find out the intent of the aliens who sent the code for the virus?

Some people think that that isn’t the point of the show and that may never be revealed. I hope that that is not the case.
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Seems to be a low interest in discussing this show here, which is a bit surprising, but Gilligan is far out on a limb with how strange this thing is.

I am discussing it some on reddit, and consensus is building that Earth is in a kind of a sequence of worlds with DNA based intelligent life, where they get the radio signal of the RNA virus, and it is producing hiveminds by radio signals, one after another. This may be a "threat reduction" tactic of higher level ETI, based on the Dark Forest notion, and Carol may be, with Manousos, about to lead a fight for individualism to return to Earth. What we will learn about the ETI or the reason for the virus is hard to say.

The original signal (from star Kepler 22B) was established as immensely powerful, and able to reach us from 600 light years away. It's barely possible, within somewhat the fantasy aspects of this show, that humans (the hivemind) could create the tech to send a powerful signal, but that would stretch even fantasy credibility pretty far. Not impossible the story heads that way, and that Earth is just one of a long daisy chain of infections of hivemind virus in planets with DNA life forms.
 
It's going to be interesting when Manousos meets Carol - he's been actively avoiding the hive mind's help while Carol has been taking advantage of it - and now carol maybe has a different view of the hive mind?
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
It's going to be interesting when Manousos meets Carol - he's been actively avoiding the hive mind's help while Carol has been taking advantage of it - and now carol maybe has a different view of the hive mind?
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It appears the solitude broke her. I don’t see her ever wanting to join the hive mind, but when Manousos arrives, their views on how to deal with the situation they’re in may clash dramatically.
 
Icky Mettle said:
It appears the solitude broke her. I don’t see her ever wanting to join the hive mind, but when Manousos arrives, their views on how to deal with the situation they’re in may clash dramatically.
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I think they will team up, and use their different insights (the radio bandwidth signal, and the truth serum effects) in some way. One thing I find fascinating, is while the hivemind appears to be passive and ever-serving, earlier in the takeover process they had to kill to succeed. I keep thinking back to the fact that the entire president's staff was dead, and I think killed somehow in the hivemind's actions.

How will they fight Carol and Manousos, if it comes to that?

This last episode was mostly filler material, and I was pretty disappointed in it. This business of having us watch a CGI wax pencil slowly draw lines on a map... Just wow. Gilligan has done this before. This reminded me of a filler material episode of Breaking Bad, called "The Fly," which I did come around to enjoy as a bizarre and comical diversion. There was also too much filler material in Better Call Saul, like a lot of the "Nippy" episode.

Zosia returning, and Carol falling into her arms, suggests to me Zosia has fully separated from the hivemind (perhaps a delayed effect of Carol's actions earlier). My speculation is that if so, Zosia and any person who escapes the hivemind reverts to their own specific personality and memories, and has only a limited memory of being a hivemind. In other words, it's a memory of having previously been able to pilot a giant plane, and do quantum physics calculations, and cook Beef Wellington to perfection, and so on, while no longer having the ability to do them. There would be a memory of the peace of mind and confidence, but perhaps fear of returning to the hivemind as it means death of individual personality.
 
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ChapelHillSooner said:
Will we find out the intent of the aliens who sent the code for the virus?

Some people think that that isn’t the point of the show and that may never be revealed. I hope that that is not the case.
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That is/would be the tractor trailer size plot hole in the show thus far, and will diminish it if left unexplained. As it has been established that the hivemind cannot lie, it seems inconceivable that Carol isn't more curious. Especially after the revelation of the impending famine. I guess they could be evasive like they were about the reversal, but 'what is the goal/endgame?' would be about the first thing I'd say to the hivemind.
 
I watched through E8 last night.

Carol's new approach is better, I believe.

Plus we've known since Carol experimented with the thiopental sodium that she wanted Zosia.

I'm waiting to see how Carol and Manousos react when they meet.

From a personal perspective, I'm still torn between Carol and Manousos' desire to return mankind to it's previous state and Mr. Diabate's approach.

Of course Mr. Diabate really limited himself by having the same brand of car each day of the week. 😁
 
UNCatTech said:
I watched through E8 last night.

Carol's new approach is better, I believe.

Plus we've known since Carol experimented with the thiopental sodium that she wanted Zosia.

I'm waiting to see how Carol and Manousos react when they meet.

From a personal perspective, I'm still torn between Carol and Manousos' desire to return mankind to it's previous state and Mr. Diabate's approach.

Of course Mr. Diabate really limited himself by having the same brand of car each day of the week. 😁
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Is what Mr. Diabate doing morally wrong? Like is he committing rape and/or sexual assault? Obviously the hive mind consents, but the individuals whose bodies have been taken over likely would not.
 
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