We, the Hivemind Examine Vince Gilligan's "Plur1bus"

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Icky Mettle said:
Is what Mr. Diabate doing morally wrong? Like is he committing rape and/or sexual assault? Obviously the hive mind consents, but the individuals whose bodies have been taken over likely would not.
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In there current state they are devoted to his happiness.... so....

I don't know.
 
Karolina Wydra is a very attractive woman in her own right, but it is quite something that Rhea Seehorn is 53 years old right now - 52 at the time of filming the 1st season - and she looks fantastic. Wydra is 44. The Plur1bus episode in which Seehorn gets gussied up and goes to dinner at a fancy restaurant - she looks stunning. She was also on Kimmel about a month ago and looked quite vibrant and pretty. You can tell she's not a young woman per se, but she doesn't look anywhere close to her age. Kudos to her for whatever she's doing to take care of herself, as she does not seem to take part in any plastic surgeries or lip injections or such.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Karolina Wydra is a very attractive woman in her own right, but it is quite something that Rhea Seehorn is 53 years old right now - 52 at the time of filming the 1st season - and she looks fantastic. Wydra is 44. The Plur1bus episode in which Seehorn gets gussied up and goes to dinner at a fancy restaurant - she looks stunning. She was also on Kimmel about a month ago and looked quite vibrant and pretty. You can tell she's not a young woman per se, but she doesn't look anywhere close to her age. Kudos to her for whatever she's doing to take care of herself, as she does not seem to take part in any plastic surgeries or lip injections or such.
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I am 50 and would guess Seehorn is around my age if I didn’t know. 50 is the new 30 after all.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yeah, but considering Zosia made the first move, it seems a little different.
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Somebody associated with the program (I can't remember who) let it slip that the hivemind is "evolving"; meaning learning to work better and using greater manipulation with the unjoined. Episode 8 was titled "Charm Offensive," and I for one was fooled that what Zosia said and did with Carol meant that Zosia was partially disconnected from the hivemind, but that was the offense of being extra charming, and was fake. It fooled Carol badly, as it did me.

So to make things clear, the finale opened with one of the saddest, darkest and most horrifying scenes in any recent TV show, with the girl being joined into the hivemind, surrounded by fake loving care from fake family and fake friends. After she was joined, the poor baby goat was left following the girl, who no longer loves it, is no longer human, and who has no family anymore, no culture anymore. All the bodies involved just go off and do the hivemind's intended actions. This scene makes "the joining" truly and deeply horrifying to a degree we have not come close to before.

On the question does sex with a hivemind body constitute sexual abuse or even rape, there's disagreement on reddit discussions. Everything we have seen tells me the individual bodies are just that, bodies in motion, and it would be sort of like abuse of a moving corpse -- or something. We have no suggestion really, that people are still individuals but trapped in their bodies and feeling horror of being moved around like a puppet. That would be a new level of horror to all this, if the writers go that way, but again, zero evidence of that.

This is a highly unusual, mentally challenging show, and they really stuck the landing of the finale very well.
 
That was one hell of a season finale - my question is even if they can still replicate Carol's stem cells and create whatever it is that would turn her - would they still need her consent or would their biological imperative override that?
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
That was one hell of a season finale - my question is even if they can still replicate Carol's stem cells and create whatever it is that would turn her - would they still need her consent or would their biological imperative override that?
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I got the impression that when her expression changed to disturbed fear in the conversation with Zosia, that she realized they already got them. Never asked for permission, just like with the whole of humanity on day one.
 
an0maly said:
Somebody associated with the program (I can't remember who) let it slip that the hivemind is "evolving"; meaning learning to work better and using greater manipulation with the unjoined. Episode 8 was titled "Charm Offensive," and I for one was fooled that what Zosia said and did with Carol meant that Zosia was partially disconnected from the hivemind, but that was the offense of being extra charming, and was fake. It fooled Carol badly, as it did me.

So to make things clear, the finale opened with one of the saddest, darkest and most horrifying scenes in any recent TV show, with the girl being joined into the hivemind, surrounded by fake loving care from fake family and fake friends. After she was joined, the poor baby goat was left following the girl, who no longer loves it, is no longer human, and who has no family anymore, no culture anymore. All the bodies involved just go off and do the hivemind's intended actions. This scene makes "the joining" truly and deeply horrifying to a degree we have not come close to before.

On the question does sex with a hivemind body constitute sexual abuse or even rape, there's disagreement on reddit discussions. Everything we have seen tells me the individual bodies are just that, bodies in motion, and it would be sort of like abuse of a moving corpse -- or something. We have no suggestion really, that people are still individuals but trapped in their bodies and feeling horror of being moved around like a puppet. That would be a new level of horror to all this, if the writers go that way, but again, zero evidence of that.

This is a highly unusual, mentally challenging show, and they really stuck the landing of the finale very well.
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I can see why that young woman seemed to be the most willing to join the hive mind. She came from a communal culture where working toward the good of the community is highly valued and where there is likely more emphasis placed on being part of that community vs. having individual goals. It was horrifying watching he change.

I do wonder if when Carol said that an atom bomb was in the container, if that was the case or if it was a metaphorical reference. We know they would be willing to give her one, at least earlier on, but how would she be able to do anything with it if she had one? And anyway, at this point, knowing that she strongly fears and is resistant to becoming one of them while now having he back against the wall, would they be reluctant to give her something like that?
 
an0maly said:
Somebody associated with the program (I can't remember who) let it slip that the hivemind is "evolving"; meaning learning to work better and using greater manipulation with the unjoined. Episode 8 was titled "Charm Offensive," and I for one was fooled that what Zosia said and did with Carol meant that Zosia was partially disconnected from the hivemind, but that was the offense of being extra charming, and was fake. It fooled Carol badly, as it did me.

So to make things clear, the finale opened with one of the saddest, darkest and most horrifying scenes in any recent TV show, with the girl being joined into the hivemind, surrounded by fake loving care from fake family and fake friends. After she was joined, the poor baby goat was left following the girl, who no longer loves it, is no longer human, and who has no family anymore, no culture anymore. All the bodies involved just go off and do the hivemind's intended actions. This scene makes "the joining" truly and deeply horrifying to a degree we have not come close to before.

On the question does sex with a hivemind body constitute sexual abuse or even rape, there's disagreement on reddit discussions. Everything we have seen tells me the individual bodies are just that, bodies in motion, and it would be sort of like abuse of a moving corpse -- or something. We have no suggestion really, that people are still individuals but trapped in their bodies and feeling horror of being moved around like a puppet. That would be a new level of horror to all this, if the writers go that way, but again, zero evidence of that.

This is a highly unusual, mentally challenging show, and they really stuck the landing of the finale very well.
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Why didn't Carol demand they destroy the eggs?
 
Icky Mettle said:
Is what Mr. Diabate doing morally wrong? Like is he committing rape and/or sexual assault? Obviously the hive mind consents, but the individuals whose bodies have been taken over likely would not.
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To elaborate, I'm not only discussing sex. Rather everything, like the ski trip. I would want to see the world, ski the Alps, swim in Hawaii, hike the rain forest, snorkel every possible reef, etc.
 
an0maly said:
Somebody associated with the program (I can't remember who) let it slip that the hivemind is "evolving"; meaning learning to work better and using greater manipulation with the unjoined. Episode 8 was titled "Charm Offensive," and I for one was fooled that what Zosia said and did with Carol meant that Zosia was partially disconnected from the hivemind, but that was the offense of being extra charming, and was fake. It fooled Carol badly, as it did me.

So to make things clear, the finale opened with one of the saddest, darkest and most horrifying scenes in any recent TV show, with the girl being joined into the hivemind, surrounded by fake loving care from fake family and fake friends. After she was joined, the poor baby goat was left following the girl, who no longer loves it, is no longer human, and who has no family anymore, no culture anymore. All the bodies involved just go off and do the hivemind's intended actions. This scene makes "the joining" truly and deeply horrifying to a degree we have not come close to before.

On the question does sex with a hivemind body constitute sexual abuse or even rape, there's disagreement on reddit discussions. Everything we have seen tells me the individual bodies are just that, bodies in motion, and it would be sort of like abuse of a moving corpse -- or something. We have no suggestion really, that people are still individuals but trapped in their bodies and feeling horror of being moved around like a puppet. That would be a new level of horror to all this, if the writers go that way, but again, zero evidence of that.

This is a highly unusual, mentally challenging show, and they really stuck the landing of the finale very well.
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Yes, the way they left her after the conversion in that scene was horrible and she let's the poor animals out to become food for some wild animals.

I've also wondered since they try to conserve everything, why is Zosia driving and inefficient old ICE car? Why not the most efficient EV?

And someone please explain the time to me. Some count up, some down, and they are inconsistent.
 
UNCatTech said:
Yes, the way they left her after the conversion in that scene was horrible and she let's the poor animals out to become food for some wild animals.

I've also wondered since they try to conserve everything, why is Zosia driving and inefficient old ICE car? Why not the most efficient EV?

And someone please explain the time to me. Some count up, some down, and they are inconsistent.
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The time gives you an idea of when things are taking place chronologically. When the times counts down, it is before the hive mind takes over. When it counts up, it is after.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Karolina Wydra is a very attractive woman in her own right, but it is quite something that Rhea Seehorn is 53 years old right now - 52 at the time of filming the 1st season - and she looks fantastic. Wydra is 44. The Plur1bus episode in which Seehorn gets gussied up and goes to dinner at a fancy restaurant - she looks stunning. She was also on Kimmel about a month ago and looked quite vibrant and pretty. You can tell she's not a young woman per se, but she doesn't look anywhere close to her age. Kudos to her for whatever she's doing to take care of herself, as she does not seem to take part in any plastic surgeries or lip injections or such.
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Yea, she looks amazing.

I was a young worker in Northern Virginia when she was going to George Mason. I, of course, didn’t know her but I would have liked to. Haha
 
I am glad lots of folks seemed to enjoy the show. I read this thread, a couple of online articles, and a couple of Reddit threads and it seems my understanding of the themes in the show are consistent with others’ and the commentary from those in the production. I do not understand the love for the show.

I want to like it. I even rewatched a few parts of a couple of episodes to try to appreciate moments that lots of viewers found interesting and profound. None of it moved the needle for me. I think the show has too much “The Fly” episode and not enough meat on the bone. By the third episode I was doing the 5 sec fast forward through dozens of on going walk abouts and lengthy Carol scowls. I really liked “The Fly” but it was a one off and unexpected. Very little in this show has left me surprised, awed, or pointedly curious which are reasons I enjoy sci fi. I also struggle with Rhea Seehorn. I am apparently in a huge minority here but she does not convey convincing depth to me. I look at her filmography and it aligns with my opinion of her as an actor including what I thought was one of the weakest links in Better Call Saul.

I will probably continue next season but it went from a must watch before season 1 to a watch if convenient for season 2.

I love olives and some people dislike them.
 
pspsps said:
I am glad lots of folks seemed to enjoy the show. I read this thread, a couple of online articles, and a couple of Reddit threads and it seems my understanding of the themes in the show are consistent with others’ and the commentary from those in the production. I do not understand the love for the show.

I want to like it. I even rewatched a few parts of a couple of episodes to try to appreciate moments that lots of viewers found interesting and profound. None of it moved the needle for me. I think the show has too much “The Fly” episode and not enough meat on the bone. By the third episode I was doing the 5 sec fast forward through dozens of on going walk abouts and lengthy Carol scowls. I really liked “The Fly” but it was a one off and unexpected. Very little in this show has left me surprised, awed, or pointedly curious which are reasons I enjoy sci fi. I also struggle with Rhea Seehorn. I am apparently in a huge minority here but she does not convey convincing depth to me. I look at her filmography and it aligns with my opinion of her as an actor including what I thought was one of the weakest links in Better Call Saul.

I will probably continue next season but it went from a must watch before season 1 to a watch if convenient for season 2.

I love olives and some people dislike them.
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An interesting point that we probably all share.

Me personally, I get a lot from the things I read, in addition to the show.

But I get it, I've found myself in that boat recently with a movie that was being discussed on the movie thread. I tried to watch but gave up half way, it just wasn't my cup of tea. I have so much respect for the knowledge of our resident film critics that I find myself questioning why they like it and I don't. But ultimately it's just personal taste.

My wife and kids wouldn't finish one episode of Pluribus, I'm sure.

Our Vin diagrams have small intersections.
 
I don’t notice anyone point it out but interesting to me that 12 didn’t become part of the hivemind. Parallels to the 12 Disciples maybe. Then you have all of humanity brainwashed by the hivemind, and a need for the 12 to save them (not that all 12 are on board, we don’t have a cure yet either).
 
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