Zuckerberg going Libertarian?

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Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content​

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."

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"Basically, these people from the Biden administration would call up our team and, like, scream at them and curse," Zuckerberg told podcast host and comedian Joe Rogan. "It just got to this point where we were like, 'No, we're not gonna, we're not gonna take down things that are true. That's ridiculous.'"

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Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."
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ZenMode said:

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content​

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."

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"Basically, these people from the Biden administration would call up our team and, like, scream at them and curse," Zuckerberg told podcast host and comedian Joe Rogan. "It just got to this point where we were like, 'No, we're not gonna, we're not gonna take down things that are true. That's ridiculous.'"

www.nbcnews.com

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."
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You telling me the guy responsible for the largest data harvesting operation in history has no recordings of this widespread phenomenon?

Bull. Shit.
 
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ZenMode said:

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content​

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."

.........

"Basically, these people from the Biden administration would call up our team and, like, scream at them and curse," Zuckerberg told podcast host and comedian Joe Rogan. "It just got to this point where we were like, 'No, we're not gonna, we're not gonna take down things that are true. That's ridiculous.'"

www.nbcnews.com

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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It seems Zuckerberg wasn’t being completely truthful. He’s working hard to curry favor from the worst person in the world.
 
ZenMode said:

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content​

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."

.........

"Basically, these people from the Biden administration would call up our team and, like, scream at them and curse," Zuckerberg told podcast host and comedian Joe Rogan. "It just got to this point where we were like, 'No, we're not gonna, we're not gonna take down things that are true. That's ridiculous.'"

www.nbcnews.com

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Zuckerberg is who he's always been - a man with no real moral compass or conviction, which is why his politics largely resemble a reed blowing in the wind. He is desperate to avoid getting lapped by Musk in the battle to steer Trump's policies in the manner most beneficial to his social media platforms, so he would probably plant his nose firmly in Trump's asshole right now if Trump cared to ask.

Leaving aside that you should be skeptical of these secondhand stories Zuckerberg is relating (it's not like anyone was directly calling him and screaming at him), Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you. We live in such a privileged place in this country that people have forgotten what tyranny really looks like (and, for that matter, what war really looks like). Headed straight down the cliff to fascism because all these technocrats can't imagine anything more terrible than making a few billion dollars less every year, and all the people lapping up their products can't imagine anything worse than being told to wear a mask or get a vaccine or, like, change to a more energy-efficient lightbulb.
 
rodoheel said:
Zuckerberg is who he's always been - a man with no real moral compass or conviction, which is why his politics largely resemble a reed blowing in the wind. He is desperate to avoid getting lapped by Musk in the battle to steer Trump's policies in the manner most beneficial to his social media platforms, so he would probably plant his nose firmly in Trump's asshole right now if Trump cared to ask.

Leaving aside that you should be skeptical of these secondhand stories Zuckerberg is relating (it's not like anyone was directly calling him and screaming at him), Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you. We live in such a privileged place in this country that people have forgotten what tyranny really looks like (and, for that matter, what war really looks like). Headed straight down the cliff to fascism because all these technocrats can't imagine anything more terrible than making a few billion dollars less every year, and all the people lapping up their products can't imagine anything worse than being told to wear a mask or get a vaccine or, like, change to a more energy-efficient lightbulb.
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It's all about what's best for business at that moment and what ever way he can make more money.
 
rodoheel said:
Zuckerberg is who he's always been - a man with no real moral compass or conviction, which is why his politics largely resemble a reed blowing in the wind. He is desperate to avoid getting lapped by Musk in the battle to steer Trump's policies in the manner most beneficial to his social media platforms, so he would probably plant his nose firmly in Trump's asshole right now if Trump cared to ask.

Leaving aside that you should be skeptical of these secondhand stories Zuckerberg is relating (it's not like anyone was directly calling him and screaming at him), Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you. We live in such a privileged place in this country that people have forgotten what tyranny really looks like (and, for that matter, what war really looks like). Headed straight down the cliff to fascism because all these technocrats can't imagine anything more terrible than making a few billion dollars less every year, and all the people lapping up their products can't imagine anything worse than being told to wear a mask or get a vaccine or, like, change to a more energy-efficient lightbulb.
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"Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you."

Do you think it's appropriate for the federal government to call Facebook and tell them to censor the speech/expression of Americans?

I don't.
 
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ZenMode said:
"Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you."

Do you think it's appropriate for the federal government to call Facebook and tell them to remove the speech/expression of Americans?

I don't.
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Do you have proof that's what happened? There's evidence that it was about connection issues. As usual, there is no reason that you've given so that your view is to be considered realistic.
 
ZenMode said:
"Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you."

Do you think it's appropriate for the federal government to call Facebook and tell them to remove the speech/expression of Americans?

I don't.
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If the government believes that it's in the national interest to do so, yes, absolutely. Especially because they were asking, not telling. No one was threatening to thro Zuckerberg in jail and shut down Facebook if they didn't do what the government said. You know, actual censorship.

There is a long history of the government asking for things to not be published, or taken down, when it impacts our national interest, especially national security interests. Think wartime reporting. Obviously the government could go too far in that regard, and 100 different people might have 100 different opinions about what is "too far." But the idea that random bureaucrats calling up Facebook and trying to get them to take down content that the government believed was making it more difficult to fight a novel pandemic is emblematic of tyranny is just ridiculous. And that's even leaving aside that, as detailed above, there's good reason to doubt Zuckerberg is telling the truth about the stuff anyway.
 
finesse said:
Do you have proof that's what happened? There's evidence that it was about connection issues. As usual, there is no reason that you've given so that your view is to be considered realistic.
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What kind of proof would you expect me to be able to provide?
 
ZenMode said:
"Imagine thinking it's some great affront to liberty to have someone from the government call you on the phone and yell at you."

Do you think it's appropriate for the federal government to call Facebook and tell them to remove the speech/expression of Americans?

I don't.
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I’ll quibble a bit — the government didn’t tell Facebook what to do but they did ask them to moderate content on certain topics, which Facebook declined to do in a lot but not all cases.

When the requests related to COVID disinformation, I thought it was reasonable action during an international pandemic. When it related to the Biden laptop, I think the government should have done nothing more than inform the platform if they thought the story was credible based on available information.
 
rodoheel said:
If the government believes that it's in the national interest to do so, yes, absolutely. Especially because they were asking, not telling. No one was threatening to thro Zuckerberg in jail and shut down Facebook if they didn't do what the government said. You know, actual censorship.

There is a long history of the government asking for things to not be published, or taken down, when it impacts our national interest, especially national security interests. Think wartime reporting. Obviously the government could go too far in that regard, and 100 different people might have 100 different opinions about what is "too far." But the idea that random bureaucrats calling up Facebook and trying to get them to take down content that the government believed was making it more difficult to fight a novel pandemic is emblematic of tyranny is just ridiculous. And that's even leaving aside that, as detailed above, there's good reason to doubt Zuckerberg is telling the truth about the stuff anyway.
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The 100 different opinions, along with the obvious power differential between the two parties, are a couple of the issues. The federal government "asking" for something is significantly different than any other entity asking.

There's also the fact that Facebook is a platform where people converse. Facebook is not a news outlet. News outlets probably welcome information from the federal government. News outlets want to provide accurate information.

As it relates to COVID, which is apparently part of what the federal government request were related to, I think the Biden administration made it pretty clear that They were willing to be dishonest and try to cross lines under the guise of "national interest". I'm referring to the attempted use of OSHA to force vaccines on ~80 million Americans and the CDC's attempt to baselessly write off the lab leak possibility.
 
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nycfan said:
I’ll quibble a bit — the government didn’t tell Facebook what to do but they did ask them to moderate content on certain topics, which Facebook declined to do in a lot but not all cases.

When the requests related to COVID disinformation, I thought it was reasonable action during an international pandemic. When it related to the Biden laptop, I think the government should have done nothing more than inform the platform if they thought the story was credible based on available information.
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I think Zuck's interview noted that the government went beyond censoring covid misinformation. He talked about how they wanted to limit people discussing things like there could be long term side effects of the vaccines and maybe you should weigh the risks vs the risk of covid death. That's absolutely true and its absolutely not helpful to the government's plan to deal with the virus.

I think asking Facebook to shut down this information is okay but asking them to shut down discussion on government policies, probably isn't.
 
ZenMode said:
The 100 different opinions, along with the obvious power differential between the two parties, are a couple of the issues. The federal government "asking" for something is significantly different than any other entity asking.

There's also the fact that Facebook is a platform where people converse. Facebook is not a news outlet. News outlets probably welcome information from the federal government. News outlets want to provide accurate information.

As it relates to COVID, which is apparently part of what the federal government request were related to, I think the Biden administration made it pretty clear that They were willing to be dishonest and try to cross lines under the guise of "national interest". I'm referring to the attempted use of OSHA to force vaccines on ~80 million Americans and the CDC's attempt to baselessly write off the lab leak possibility.
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Facebook isn't a news outlet? Man, you better look at the statistics about where people get their news now. That sort of thinking is about 15 years outdated. Elon Musk posts about every 20 seconds on Twitter "you are the media now." Zuck likely feels the same way. The distinction between citizen and journalist is blurred now, and acting like social media posts have to be treated differently from news stories is part of what has gotten us into our current social media nightmare. We can't simply allow misinformation - some ignorant, some malicious - spread unchecked if we want any hope of having a rational public discourse. The idea that the "marketplace of ideas" can sort truth from fiction is pretty much a fantasy at this point, given that most of us will believe what we want to believe rather than accept inconvenient truths.
 
ZenMode said:
What does that mean? What proof does any poster have for the claims discussed here?

Unless there is video of someone saying/doing something, we don't have proof, do we?
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Rather than just admit you swallowed something given to you without any proof because you wanted to believe it, you want us to have some kind of solipsistic discussion about the limits of knowledge on a message board?

Nah fam.

Zuckerberg made billions aggregating data from all corners of the Internet, but somehow has no proof of anything he's claiming (on the Joe Rogan experience, for fuck sake- probably one of the largest misinformation vectors currently in existence).

You got played. Admit it and do better next time.
 
StrangePackage said:
Rather than just admit you swallowed something given to you without any proof because you wanted to believe it, you want us to have some kind of solipsistic discussion about the limits of knowledge on a message board?

Nah fam.

Zuckerberg made billions aggregating data from all corners of the Internet, but somehow has no proof of anything he's claiming (on the Joe Rogan experience, for fuck sake- probably one of the largest misinformation vectors currently in existence).

You got played. Admit it and do better next time.
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What reason do you have to not believe what he said, other than you not wanting to believe it?
 
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