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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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nycfan said:
This Arlington thing has gotten out of control — a few things in this clip:

* asked whether his campaign should have released the video and photos from Arlington, Trump diverts to what is really bothering him … “we have a lot of people, you know TikTik people, you know we’re leading the internet, that was the other thing we’re so far above her on the internet …”

* To her credit, reporter interrupts and refocuses on the question she asked — Arlington. And a cornered Trump offers up some doozies, including claiming that he doesn’t know the rules, the gold star families are to blame for publishing the images and that the while thing is a set-up:

T: “Well I don’t know what the rules and regulations are, I don’t know who did it, and (pause) I think it coulda been them [like he just thought up a lie and thought it up quick], it coulda been the parents, it coulda been somebody …”

Reporter interrupts: It was your campaign’s TikTok though that put out the video

T: “OK, I really don’t know anything about it. All I do is I stood there and I said ‘If you’d like to have a picture, we can have a picture.’ If somebody did it (changes tone mid-sentence) this was a set-up by, uh, people in the Administration that ‘oh, Trump is coming to Arlington, that looks so bad for us…’”

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My God. Aren’t we better than this as a nation? How can anyone with even a modicum of American pride or self respect ever consider voting for this assclown at this point. There is no reasonable explanation. No excuse plausible enough. Anyone actually thinking about voting for this batshit crazy ticket should probably reconsider procreation, for the sake of humanity.
 
Tulsi gabbard is a disingenuous lying
BlueSteel said:
My God. Aren’t we better than this as a nation? How can anyone with even a modicum of American pride or self respect ever consider voting for this assclown at this point. There is no reasonable explanation. No excuse plausible enough. Anyone actually thinking about voting for this batshit crazy ticket should probably reconsider procreation, for the sake of humanity.
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Tulsi Gabbard was just on CNN lying lying lying about this. 'Campaign had permission to film this historic event'

Bash- Will the campaign release this permission?

Tulsi- I was told they already had.

Bash- The army says you did not.
 
Paine said:
I hope you don’t think Russia is still communist. MAGA aligns with Russia because they’re a model for oligarchic rule that many want to follow at home.
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It’s a good point. Still the communist party led by Putin controls everything, he just finds the oligarch system benefits his goals. We’ve seen that as Putin exerts his power over any of the oligarchs that haven’t toed the line in the Ukraine war. But you are correct it is no longer purely communist.
 
Enigma94 said:
It’s a good point. Still the communist party led by Putin controls everything, he just finds the oligarch system benefits his goals. We’ve seen that as Putin exerts his power over any of the oligarchs that haven’t toed the line in the Ukraine war. But you are correct it is no longer purely communist.
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Putin doesn’t lead the communist party in Russia, and little about their current government is communist.

Orban in Hungary is also a model for this system of illiberal democracy.

A strongman who embraces oligarchs and the Orthodox Church doesn’t scream communism. Putin wants Tsarist Russia back more than anything.
 
Paine said:
Putin doesn’t lead the communist party in Russia, and little about their current government is communist.

Orban in Hungary is also a model for this system of illiberal democracy.

A strongman who embraces oligarchs and the Orthodox Church doesn’t scream communism. Putin wants Tsarist Russia back more than anything.
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What’s your take on “illiberal democracy”?
 
uncgriff said:
Tulsi gabbard is a disingenuous lying

Tulsi Gabbard was just on CNN lying lying lying about this. 'Campaign had permission to film this historic event'

Bash- Will the campaign release this permission?

Tulsi- I was told they already had.

Bash- The army says you did not.
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Tom cotton who apparently actually served at Arlington sacrifices a piece of whatever soul he has trying to defend this shit on meet the press.
 
It appears that the Trump campaign has been so ineffective in curbing Kamala's momentum that they have decided to hurl lies about her with the hope of baiting her into defensive responses. I doubt that she will take the bait.
 
heelinhell said:
It appears that the Trump campaign has been so ineffective in curbing Kamala's momentum that they have decided to hurl lies about her with the hope of baiting her into defensive responses. I doubt that she will take the bait.
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They’ve fully shifted to the mode of “depress Dem/independent turnout as much as possible.” It looks like they know they’re completely capped out on who they can draw to their side. That means Kamala gets to be on offense alone, and that’s a great position to be at this point in the race. Avoid major mistakes and she’ll be in great shape.
 
I think the battle rap analogy is exactly right.

I don't think fact-checking Trump does much good. At this point, everybody knows that he's incessantly full of shit. Either they care, in which case they are voting against him; or they don't care, in which case fact-checking makes no difference; or they are in the cult of Trump and would see fact-checking as just more liberal conspiracy.

I also don't think his changing "position" on abortion is going to fool anyone. All he is doing is alienating his base. The people for whom abortion is an important issue know who to vote for. Coming out now in favor of IVF and against abortion bans will have the effect only of making ostensibly pro-choice Trump voters (like HY2012) feel less guilty about voting with their ids and lizard brains.

I also think that Trump has been pro-choice his entire life. Why would he be pro-life? He doesn't care about anything besides himself, so he's definitely not worried about the poor embryos. He's not religious at all. And abortions are surely convenient for him and as many people have mentioned, he has likely paid for at least one. So this pro-life thing was all an act. Since Trump goes with his gut, and increasingly so, he's probably reverting back to his form because he's having trouble keeping up the act when he fears it costs him votes.
 
www.nytimes.com

Meandering? Off-Script? Trump Insists His ‘Weave’ Is Oratorical Genius.

Former President Donald J. Trump’s speeches often wander from topic to topic. He insists there is an art to stitching them all together.
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“Unlike Kamala Harris, who can’t put together a coherent sentence without a teleprompter, President Trump speaks for hours, telling multiple impressive stories at the same time,” said Karoline Leavitt, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump. “Kamala Harris could never.”

His campaign did not identify which English professor friends of his had complimented his style.

“I highly doubt that Donald Trump has any English professor friends,” said Timothy O’Brien, a Trump biographer. “What this really reflects is that he is aware of the criticism that he is publicly saying nonlinear, nonsensical word salad, and he is trying to pretend there is a strategy or logic behind it when there isn’t.”

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But in the case of Mr. Trump, it is difficult to find the hermeneutic methods with which to parse the linguistic flights that take him from electrocuted sharks to Hannibal Lecter’s cannibalism, windmills and Rosie O’Donnell.

James Shapiro, a professor of English at Columbia University and a renowned Shakespeare scholar, ruminated about Mr. Trump’s use of the word: “I read Trump’s comment bragging that ‘I do the weave.’ I take him at his word, as one of the Oxford English Dictionary definitions of ‘weave’ is ‘to pursue a devious course.’” …”
 
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