2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HeelYeah2012 said:
To me it’s simple. There are enough people in the middle of the spectrum who would’ve chosen Trump over Biden based on their glaringly obvious difference in capability to actually do the job, but now a lot of those will flip to Harris over Trump because she represents a new generation of leadership and everyone is fed up with the old asses.

I can’t think of a single person who would’ve gone Biden over Trump but will now go Trump over Harris.

In other words, Harris is just a lot better candidate than Biden. Which is why it’s preposterous that Biden was ever forced on the voters in the first place this go round. Harris doesn’t have to be good, she just has to be something other than the total disaster Biden was and she can beat Trump.
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You often have to take the car keys from elderly people.
 
I think the bigger problem wasn’t that Biden was going to lose a lot of voters in the middle of the spectrum to Trump. I am pretty sure Trump has had poor polling numbers among independents and moderates for a while, even when he was otherwise leading all of the overall polling, and I dont think there was much danger of there being a significant number of Biden 2020-to-Trump 2024 voters. I think the bigger problem was that Biden being on the ticket, especially after the debate disaster, had done such irreparable damage to enthusiasm and excitement on the left that it was going to significantly depress Democratic and Democratically-inclined turnout. Ever since the emergence of MAGA in our national politics, literally the only national election- general or midterm- they’ve won was aided and abetted by depressed Democratic turnout in 2016. Ever since then, MAGA has been losing elections because it’s a massive electoral loser that is repulsive to everyone who isn’t already a weirdo MAGA freak. Democrats don’t lose elections to MAGA when Democratic enthusiasm and turnout is elevated. But Biden remaining on the ticket after the debate was almost certain to cause a 2016 turnout redux.

In less than three weeks we’ve gone from the prospect of depressed Democratic turnout- and thus a probable Republican blowout- to a wave of energy, enthusiasm, excitement, fundraising, volunteerism, and new voter registration reminiscent of Obama’s first campaign- and thus a more probable-than-not Democratic victory.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
See post above. I’m sure there is a plan, but it just won’t be as effective because Kamala Harris won’t freeze on live TV like Joe Biden did lol. You know, the guy you all tried to pretend was perfectly fine?
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Compared to Trump, he is perfectly fine.
 
So in this fantasy WWE scenario, is Joe going to emerge from behind the curtain in the middle of Harris’s speech, rip off his outer shirt to display a “Biden/RFK Jr 2024” shirt underneath, snatch the microphone from the podium and scream “It ain’t over…I’m not dropping out!!”
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
What are you talking about? Your party just forced its candidate out because he was going to lose to Trump. So there are very obviously swing voters in the middle who were going to vote for Trump that the Democrats will be trying to win over now with Harris. You may not like it but these voters are in fact the middle.
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Not sure about that. The bigger issue was turnout and enthusiasm. If Biden had been as sharp as he was in 2020, he would win easily in November. Trump voters are, for the most part, baked in. The key to beating Trump is to show up and vote. Biden wasn't getting that this time around, but Kamala/Walz are doing that now.
 
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"tampontim" is trending on twitter. well I wouldn't say trending - has been selected by elon's minions to appear as trending. I am guessing that is some weird attack they are trying.
 
altmin said:
"tampontim" is trending on twitter. well I wouldn't say trending - has been selected by elon's minions to appear as trending. I am guessing that is some weird attack they are trying.
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Yep, it’s because Walz signed a bill providing tampons in public school girls’ restrooms. If the GOP is trying to shed the “what the fuck is the matter with you, you weird fucking freaks?” label, they aren’t trying very hard.
 
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