2025 & 2026 Elections | Blue Wave 2025 results

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Kingpin said:
I wish there was a way to give DC statehood to gives Dems a chance in the senate. What once was doable now seems a reach and maybe never in the future.
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The Alaska-Hawaii compromise established the precedent that you can’t add a D state without also adding an R state.

If you make DC a state, then you’ll need to make eastern Oregon/Washington a new state as an offset.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I definitely think the Democrats will win back control of the US House of Representatives next year, even with all the GOP gerrymandering, and I think they'll do it fairly easily (gain 20+ seats). But the Senate is going to be far more difficult to win back as there are simply more red than blue or even purple states, and so it will likely take a massive blue wave like 2006 or 1986 to give them a majority, and even then it almost certainly wouldn't be more than 51 seats. So I don't think they're going to win a Senate majority, and at most, if we're lucky, Cooper may win the open NC Senate seat and maybe they'll pull an upset and gain another seat somewhere without losing any vulnerable seats of their own.

However, I do think that Democrats should pick up some governorships and other state government positions around the country as the economy continues to decline. The Democrats will likely gain some state legislature seats too, although their gains in legislatures will be pretty severely limited by the extreme GOP gerrymandering in most red and even purple states like NC. NC Democrats would have to win at least 60% of the statewide vote to win even a bare majority in either house of the NC legislature, which isn't happening anytime soon, imo. But they might be able to gain a few more seats and thus give Josh Stein some real veto power in the legislature. Right now he's got veto power by a single vote, and unfortunately there are a few turncoat Manchin-style Democrats in the legislature who voted with Republicans to overturn some of his vetoes this year.
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I think Dems need to be careful of building up expectations in a way that leads to voter apathy.

Also, the range of the swing is about half what it used to be with all the gerrymandering, so I would not be surprised if the Dems have a very small majority to work with themselves.

I hope NC Dems can narrow the GOP margins in the legislature— hopefully Cooper wins and has coattails.
 
Calheel said:
The Alaska-Hawaii compromise established the precedent that you can’t add a D state without also adding an R state.

If you make DC a state, then you’ll need to make eastern Oregon/Washington a new state as an offset.
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What is this compromise? Who would know how Alaska and Hawaii would vote in advance of statehood? Google tells me no such compromise exists. There were such compromises BEFORE the civil war. But your side lost that war, so I don’t think such compromises exist today. If anything Dems should create two blue states.
 
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Kingpin said:
What is this compromise? Who would know how Alaska and Hawaii would vote in advance of statehood? Google tells me no such compromise exists. There were such compromises BEFORE the civil war. But your side lost that war, so I don’t think such compromises exist today. If anything Dems should create two blue states.
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It wasn't a formal compromise, like the Missouri Compromise, but a de facto acknowledgment that Republicans won't agree to add a solo D state and Democrats won't agree to add a solo R state.

It is very easy to tell which way a state will vote based on demographics. Plus, they did political polling even in the 1950s and it was very clear Alaska would be an R state and Hawaii would be a D state.
 
nycfan said:
I think Dems need to be careful of building up expectations in a way that leads to voter apathy.

Also, the range of the swing is about half what it used to be with all the gerrymandering, so I would not be surprised if the Dems have a very small majority to work with themselves.

I hope NC Dems can narrow the GOP margins in the legislature— hopefully Cooper wins and has coattails.
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Oh I'm not saying that Democrats need to be publicly confident or cocky or anything like that, they need to be running angry at what's happened in the country. I'm just talking for myself. And while gerrymandering does have an effect, I've read in numerous articles that the gerrymandering could easily backfire as it is reducing solid GOP districts into ones that lean Republican in order to increase their number of seats and thus is actually leaving Republicans more vulnerable to a massive blue wave. So while the GOP is very unlikely to win 30 or 40 or more seats as they did in 2006 or 2018, I do think a gain of 20 to 25 is still definitely possible if the blue wave is large enough. Agree on Cooper - at least it should be a favorable year for Democrats overall.
 
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nycfan said:
I think Dems need to be careful of building up expectations in a way that leads to voter apathy.

Also, the range of the swing is about half what it used to be with all the gerrymandering, so I would not be surprised if the Dems have a very small majority to work with themselves.

I hope NC Dems can narrow the GOP margins in the legislature— hopefully Cooper wins and has coattails.
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Any dem voter who is still apathetic needs to hang themself.
 
There is absolutely no way that Dems should acquiesce to adding two states for balance. FUCK. THAT. They don't need any Pub votes if they have majorities. I hope they realize that the filibuster has to be eliminated if Congress is going to reclaim any of the power that has been ceded to the executive.
 
Bigs23 said:
Any dem voter who is still apathetic needs to hang themself.
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Seriously. I don't care if the candidate is boring as hell. It doesn't matter when the choice on the other side is voting for greed, cruelty, hate, racism and bigotry. It's not about "politics" anymore. It's about one side actually trying to do good while the other supports sociopaths like Trump. I figure people that vote for Pubs now, or vote independent, or not at all are just idiots and/or horrible people.
 
Was just curious, so checked. If SoCal & NoCal became separate states, SoCal would be the #2 most populated state (behind only Texas), and NoCal would be #5. But Pubs love to show those maps with all the red, because…you know…sparsely populated masses of land should have equal representation as where large numbers of people actually live.
 
superrific said:
There is absolutely no way that Dems should acquiesce to adding two states for balance. FUCK. THAT. They don't need any Pub votes if they have majorities. I hope they realize that the filibuster has to be eliminated if Congress is going to reclaim any of the power that has been ceded to the executive.
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If the Dems have the house, senate and presidency, and are willing to jettison the filibuster, they could certainly stack the deck. But even if the Dems had 51 or 52 senators, I think it is likely that several would reject the idea (kinda like the Indiana state politicians who were unwilling to further gerrymander Indiana). There are a lot of institutionalists in the senate.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Oh yeah. If you're not angry enough at what Trump 2.0 has been up to and willing to get off your butt and vote straight Democratic then you have no business calling yourself a Democrat, period.
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I'm not even a democrat and I'll vote straight democrat until whatever the fuck that thing is that calls itself the republican party pulls it head out of its ass. If you aren't willing to get off your butt and vote straight democratic then you have no business calling yourself sane, ethical or decent, period.
 
Calheel said:
There are a lot of institutionalists in the senate.
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I think the word you are looking for is morons. That's an apt description of an institutionalist in an environment where all institutions are broken.

Every institutionalist in the Senate needs to have "MAGA never again" as their overriding principle. Because that protects institutions. And creating new Dem states gets us in that direction.
 
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