2025 & 2026 Elections | Blue Wave 2025 results

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rodoheel said:
Yeah, I don't have any issue with Crockett, but I think leaving her House seat to run for the Senate is a mistake. I think she's extremely likely to lose (as any Dem would be) and that will leave her in a less influential position than she is now, with that "loser" stink on her, like fellow promising Dem leaders who might have been overambitious in their Senate runs like Beto and Stacey Abrams.
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She didn't have a choice. Her House seat was Trumped.
 
Looking at the horse race to judge Jasmine misses the point in my humble opinion . She is a force of nature and if she is the Dem nominee she will dominate the media coverage of the race and become a political rock star whether she becomes the next Senator from Texas.
 
heelinhell said:
Looking at the horse race to judge Jasmine misses the point in my humble opinion . She is a force of nature and if she is the Dem nominee she will dominate the media coverage of the race and become a political rock star whether she becomes the next Senator from Texas.
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But does "becomin[ing] a political rock star" matter to anyone but her if she can't use it to win office or effect change?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yeah, there's a reason why Biden was able to win while Hillary and Kamala didn't. Sad to say, but as I said with Crockett running in Texas it's a very ugly reality of our politics right now, unfortunately. There's simply a large number of men and women (especially Evangelical women) in America who will simply not vote for a woman to be POTUS in either party. I've had Evangelical women tell me that they believe that god "set aside" major leadership posts like the ministry and presidency for men. I think that's not true at all and is a huge self-own, but it's definitely a fairly common feeling in much of the country.
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Politics currently is 2 different jobs:
1. The office being sought
2. Candidate

While I think Hillary and Kamala and, in this case, Crockett would make fabulous presidents/senators, the fact is that they make lousy candidates. Same goes for Mayor Pete.

That’s not a reflection on them. That’s a reflection on us as a nation.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yeah, there's a reason why Biden was able to win while Hillary and Kamala didn't. Sad to say, but as I said with Crockett running in Texas it's a very ugly reality of our politics right now, unfortunately. There's simply a large number of men and women (especially Evangelical women) in America who will simply not vote for a woman to be POTUS in either party. I've had Evangelical women tell me that they believe that god "set aside" major leadership posts like the ministry and presidency for men. I think that's not true at all and is a huge self-own, but it's definitely a fairly common feeling in much of the country.
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I think that's an excuse for some very poor candidates that didn't really get tested in much of a primary. Democrats and Republicans have elected women to some pretty major leadership positions. Alabama has a female governor and a female senator. Mississippi and Iowa both have female Senators. There are plenty of others.

For your theory to be true, evangelical women don't have enough political sway to enforce their beliefs in statewide elections in Republican strongholds where they are much more numerous but do have the political power to keep women from the presidency in battleground states... Including states that have elected women in powerful positions.

Don't you think it's much more likely that Hillary and Kamala weren't very good candidates vs the American electorate is willing to vote for women to be governors and senators but not presidents?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think that's an excuse for some very poor candidates that didn't really get tested in much of a primary. Democrats and Republicans have elected women to some pretty major leadership positions. Alabama has a female governor and a female senator. Mississippi and Iowa both have female Senators. There are plenty of others.

For your theory to be true, evangelical women don't have enough political sway to enforce their beliefs in statewide elections in Republican strongholds where they are much more numerous but do have the political power to keep women from the presidency in battleground states... Including states that have elected women in powerful positions.

Don't you think it's much more likely that Hillary and Kamala weren't very good candidates vs the American electorate is willing to vote for women to be governors and senators but not presidents?
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Are you serious? As close as both elections were, you don't believe misogyny didn't make a difference and probably the deciding one?
 
finesse said:
Fwiw, I wonder if we compared educational, financial and social status instead of culture how it would work out. I'd bet on a bell curve with more misogyny on both ends. Makes me wonder if all these Republican women are naive or really feel that special.
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I think this is closer to the truth than ascribing it mostly to race.

Plus, these women only lost the presidency by small percentage points, with a lot of tossup variables breaking the wrong way.

What’s being overlooked is that likability is huge. All very impressive accomplishments in a patriarchal structure aside… neither Hillary nor Kamala have a naturally likable personality. Before attempts to revamp their images, both were seen as even more rigid, and maybe even cynical and unpleasant.

We could go on all day about the uneven playing field and double standards that landed us there, but if you don’t have enough natural appeal, or worse — you're boring to voters… it’s a very tough road to be president. Especially as a woman or minority. Policy and experience clearly matter way less than personality.

So what I’m getting at is that despite the shitheads who would never vote for a woman, we’re not as far away from it as some are making it sound. Either one could’ve won with just minor tweaks and different timing. And that’s with two candidates whose personalities didn’t excite people at the scale that’s required.
 
finesse said:
Are you serious? As close as both elections were, you don't believe misogyny didn't make a difference and probably the deciding one?
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I don't. At least not the deciding factor like "I like all her policies and I think she would be a great leader, but I just can't vote for her because she's a woman." I think it was that they weren't able to connect with the electorate like Biden and Obama were able to. But plenty of women were able to connect with the voters in the election cycles that Trump won.
 
duluoz said:
Anyone who claims to not believe misogyny played a role in deciding those presidential elections is not a serious person. Just a troll. Which you prove yourself to be, over and over.
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Not a very compelling argument. You should try to counter my points if you are able. If you aren't capable, you can do the troll thing.
 
There's a big difference between electing a woman as POTUS and electing one as governor or senator. The fact that Republicans are willing to elect a woman as governor or senator doesn't seem to apply when they run for president. I have serious doubts that the MAGA base would be willing to vote for a woman to be the GOP presidential candidate. And Trump himself certainly seems to have no problems expressing his misogyny at every opportunity - does anyone think he would vote for a female presidential candidate in either party? I remember back in 1984 when Mondale (who was nicknamed "Fritz") chose Geraldine Ferraro as the first female v-p candidate that there were frequent jokes among Republicans that his campaign slogan should be "Fritz & Tits".

ETA: Democratic women make up 42% of their party's representation in Congress, while Republican women make up just 15% of their party's members. Seems like a pretty clear indication of which party is willing to vote for female candidates for office.

Link: Has the number of women in Congress hit a ceiling?
 
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