American Eagle Jeans Commercials

That critique either entirely misunderstands or misrepresents why people complained about the ads. It has nothing to do with Sydney Sweeney being hot and posing in blue jeans.

Agree. It's the fact that she hot, posing in blue jeans and is using a play on words referencing her genetics/genes as the reason she's hot.... something we all know is true....


Again, I think the uproar over the ads is silly, but responses like that, that either willfully or accidentally misrepresent the original critique, are just grist for the outrage mill.
I covered the actual... "actual".... issue in my first response to superrific and in the beginning of my response to this post.

Honestly, it's just freaking weird.
 
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Since American Eagle is targeted toward this demographic (college age kids), if you polled 100 liberal college age kids on any given college campus, something like 98.8 of them would have the same exact reaction all of us are having. Right wingers are losing what little bit of their minds they have remaining over the apparent 1.2 ultra progressive goobers who apparently think Sydney Sweeney‘s initials SS means she must carry an autographed copy of Mein Kampf in her jeans pocket.
In fairness, I think this might be more threatening to people of color, especially those with backgrounds in the developing world. For them, scientific racism and eugenics had very real consequences and they might be sensitive to it, particularly the one that talks about genetics.

Since I am not a young Bengali girl whose grandparents or great grandparents might have starved in the Churchill-induced, Kipling-tainted mass famine, I won't purport to speak for them. It seems to me possible that white people are not necessarily the only characters in this story.
 
Right lolol. I have no idea how conservatives have such little capacity for shame as to get constantly worked up about the most idiotic transparently bullshit things on the Internet, time after time after time after time. I love spending time on the Internet as much as the next person, but my goodness I just do not have the capacity for getting riled up day after day after day over the most trivial manufactured outrages.

Since American Eagle is targeted toward this demographic (college age kids), if you polled 100 liberal college age kids on any given college campus, something like 98.8 of them would have the same exact reaction all of us are having. Right wingers are losing what little bit of their minds they have remaining over the apparent 1.2 ultra progressive goobers who apparently think Sydney Sweeney‘s initials SS means she must carry an autographed copy of Mein Kampf in her jeans pocket.
Doesn't take much when you're trying to pretend the leader of your political party doesn't like to fuck minors.
 
Nazis make commercials too.

You wrote that whole post and it was fully refuted by four words. Does that make you feel good about yourself? Whether or not this ad actually is eugenicist (which I never said -- I said it was "weird"), it's certainly possible that ad makers could be playing on fascist sensibilities -- you know, like the ads for guns and gold and other prepper bullshit that show up on Fox News sidebars.
You didn't really refute anything. You more confirmed that you are apart of the fringe left that sees racism, or Nazi-ism, where it doesn't exist.
 
Agree. It's the fact that she hot, posing in blue jeans and is using a play on words referencing her genetics/genes as the reason she's hot.... something we all know is true....



I covered the actual... "actual".... issue in my first response to superrific and in the beginning of my response to this post.

Honestly, it's just freaking weird.
We agree about the overreaction by a tiny handful of people being weird. But why did you post that tweet making a pointless comparison between Beyonce and Sydney Sweeney if you understood that it didn't speak to the actual complaint that people had about the ads?
 
In fairness, I think this might be more threatening to people of color, especially those with backgrounds in the developing world. For them, scientific racism and eugenics had very real consequences and they might be sensitive to it, particularly the one that talks about genetics.

Since I am not a young Bengali girl whose grandparents or great grandparents might have starved in the Churchill-induced, Kipling-tainted mass famine, I won't purport to speak for them. It seems to me possible that white people are not necessarily the only characters in this story.
"Whether or not this ad actually is eugenicist (which I never said -- I said it was "weird""

Yah.... boy, it's a good thing you aren't actually saying the ad was eugenicist. If you did think that, you might do something like continue to explain why it is... but you would never do that... because you only think it's weird, right?
 
It probably is the fringe, but then fox and others pretend it's every liberal and the cult buys every word of it.
That is the cornerstone of Fox News and cable news in general. That's how you stir up anger. You pretend that the minority is the majority... and they're coming out get you!
 
That is the cornerstone of Fox News and cable news in general. That's how you stir up anger. You pretend that the minority is the majority... and they're coming out get you!
It seems a little odd that you recognize this, but you still came here and started a whole thread about the issue. Like, you know you're being played but you still fill the need to be a part of the outrage machine?
 
Agree. It's the fact that she hot, posing in blue jeans and is using a play on words referencing her genetics/genes as the reason she's hot.... something we all know is true....



I covered the actual... "actual".... issue in my first response to superrific and in the beginning of my response to this post.

Honestly, it's just freaking weird.
What is weird…the fake outrage? I too brought this up in a group chat… of about 12 people who all are pretty liberal 1 said that it was BS and that he could see what they are doing. The rest either hadn’t seen it or noticed that she had tig ole bitties.

Even the “ I see what they’re doing” person just thought that the CMO was trying to stir the pot and knew that MAGA ppl would get excited.

Who is outraged?
 
It seems a little odd that you recognize this, but you still came here and started a whole thread about the issue. Like, you know you're being played but you still fill the need to be a part of the outrage machine?
to be fair, his OP was pretty even keeled. he wasn't all "omg, alllll the libs are freaking out about this" like the nonsense ramrouser came in here spouting.

but it is pretty hilarious that he starts a thread about this nothingburger and also insists on ridiculous things like "most on the right are fine with trans folks as long as they aren't playing women's sports" when in fact an extremely solid majority of right wingers don't even think that trans people should have protections from discrimination in housing, the workplace or public spaces.

a majority of right wingers are virulently transphobic. very, very few libs think that this sydney sweeney jeans/genes ad is offensive.
 
While I agree any association to eugenics is s stretch and bordering conspiracy theory,
OK, we need to sort a few things out here.

A. Critiquing a cultural production as racist or sexist or colonial is not a conspiracy theory. There's rarely a claim that the racism was intended. Rather, the idea is that the images or texts are filtered by a culture that has long operated on the basis of demeaning stereotypes and concepts.

Take, for example, the film The Gods Must Be Crazy. That film has been criticized heavily -- especially in Africa -- for its "noble savage" portrayal of black people, and the San people (i.e. bushmen). I do not think the filmmaker was trying to make a demeaning film. I think he saw his film as anti-racist in some fashion. It's just that he didn't have a great understanding of other, non-white viewpoints.

Or take the well-chronicled Hollywood depiction of black people in the 1980s. Die Hard is an amazing film, but the character of Argyle is practically a minstrel show. I suppose the film does get some credit for casting a black man as the computer hacker and not the guy who just cuts shit with chain saws, but in any case, again I don't think that the filmmakers were trying to insult black people. They probably saw the character as funny. To white people.

Did George Lucas intend Jar Jar Binks or Dexter Jettser to be blatantly demeaning racial stereotypes? I doubt it. I just think he was clueless.

2. There's a reason that our mass culture is segregated and color-coded. TV shows are rarely integrated. Usually the cast is almost all black (e.g. Cosby, Fresh Prince, plus countless less famous shows like Bernie Mac) or essentially all white (e.g Friends, Seinfeld, Frasier, Cheers). On occasion we get shows like The Good Place that are truly multi-cultural, but The Good Place never got great ratings. Law and Order (the original, I've not seen the spinoffs) always tried to feature at least one black person but after the first couple of seasons, they were always on the "police" side of things.

It's the same logic as "there goes the neighborhood." There's a part of the audience that doesn't really want to see black people, or at least doesn't want to see integration. That inhibition might be conscious, but more commonly it's not. It's just that they find themselves laughing less or being less moved by the integrated show for whatever reason. But anyway, once you've cast an important black character, you've lost part of that audience and now your path to success is to reach the audience that does want to see black people -- usually black audiences, who don't mind at all seeing a black cast because it means the show is probably set in a neighborhood or area familiar to black people.

No conspiracy theory needed. Hollywood didn't portray black and Asian people as villains or stooges in the 80s and 90s especially because they wanted to present white people as triumphant (except in a few cases). It was more like, people were used to thinking of terrorists as Arab, or black people as thugs. Of course Mr. T had to play the villain in the Rocky series -- there was no way America would accept him as a hero. It was a minor miracle that he was featured on the A-Team, but there of course he was mostly comic relief.
 
"Whether or not this ad actually is eugenicist (which I never said -- I said it was "weird""

Yah.... boy, it's a good thing you aren't actually saying the ad was eugenicist. If you did think that, you might do something like continue to explain why it is... but you would never do that... because you only think it's weird, right?
Again, let's go through the difference between you and me.

You: My opinions are truth and I do not allow for differences. I might not know anything about a topic, but that doesn't stop me from having a strong opinion.

Me: There are many valid perspectives in the world, which is why the most important thing is to be informed and challenge yourself intellectually.

So with that in mind, look at my post explaining that I'm not a young Bengali girl and thus would not purport to speak for her. Does that express an opinion on whether it is eugenicist? It does not. It expresses the humility of not pretending that I am the fount of all human knowledge. I'm not willing to judge people until I've been in their shoes -- or at least have seen them in their shoes and tried to understand.

This is why I say you are arrogant. You admit no difference of perspective. You called me condescending in return, which I suppose is fair because I don't mince words when talking to people who I know to be utterly wrong about an issue. I know, this is going to blow your mind, but the fact a) that there can be multiple valid viewpoints on a matter does not imply b) that all viewpoints are equally good. That's especially true in more scientific and technical inquiries, but in general, people who know nothing are likely to be wrong and those opinions deserve no respect.

Until you demonstrate any awareness that you might not know everything and be correct in all your pronouncements, I will continue to refer to you as arrogant.
 
The woke mob doesn’t like Sydney Sweeney for some weird reason. Anyone trying to act like there’s some racist or nazi meaning behind that ad is just too far gone.
This is about as true as kids going to school a boy and coming home a girl because the public schools provided sex change operations without informing parents.

Goddam, you people will believe anything. “Woke mob?” JFC.
 
OK, we need to sort a few things out here.

A. Critiquing a cultural production as racist or sexist or colonial is not a conspiracy theory. There's rarely a claim that the racism was intended. Rather, the idea is that the images or texts are filtered by a culture that has long operated on the basis of demeaning stereotypes and concepts.

Take, for example, the film The Gods Must Be Crazy. That film has been criticized heavily -- especially in Africa -- for its "noble savage" portrayal of black people, and the San people (i.e. bushmen). I do not think the filmmaker was trying to make a demeaning film. I think he saw his film as anti-racist in some fashion. It's just that he didn't have a great understanding of other, non-white viewpoints.

Or take the well-chronicled Hollywood depiction of black people in the 1980s. Die Hard is an amazing film, but the character of Argyle is practically a minstrel show. I suppose the film does get some credit for casting a black man as the computer hacker and not the guy who just cuts shit with chain saws, but in any case, again I don't think that the filmmakers were trying to insult black people. They probably saw the character as funny. To white people.

Did George Lucas intend Jar Jar Binks or Dexter Jettser to be blatantly demeaning racial stereotypes? I doubt it. I just think he was clueless.

2. There's a reason that our mass culture is segregated and color-coded. TV shows are rarely integrated. Usually the cast is almost all black (e.g. Cosby, Fresh Prince, plus countless less famous shows like Bernie Mac) or essentially all white (e.g Friends, Seinfeld, Frasier, Cheers). On occasion we get shows like The Good Place that are truly multi-cultural, but The Good Place never got great ratings. Law and Order (the original, I've not seen the spinoffs) always tried to feature at least one black person but after the first couple of seasons, they were always on the "police" side of things.

It's the same logic as "there goes the neighborhood." There's a part of the audience that doesn't really want to see black people, or at least doesn't want to see integration. That inhibition might be conscious, but more commonly it's not. It's just that they find themselves laughing less or being less moved by the integrated show for whatever reason. But anyway, once you've cast an important black character, you've lost part of that audience and now your path to success is to reach the audience that does want to see black people -- usually black audiences, who don't mind at all seeing a black cast because it means the show is probably set in a neighborhood or area familiar to black people.

No conspiracy theory needed. Hollywood didn't portray black and Asian people as villains or stooges in the 80s and 90s especially because they wanted to present white people as triumphant (except in a few cases). It was more like, people were used to thinking of terrorists as Arab, or black people as thugs. Of course Mr. T had to play the villain in the Rocky series -- there was no way America would accept him as a hero. It was a minor miracle that he was featured on the A-Team, but there of course he was mostly comic relief.
I thought the basis of a conspiracy theory was some hidden agenda behind what's going on? In my opinion there is nothing behind these commercials and therefore the theory that there is an underlying promotion of eugenics would be a conspiracy.
 
It seems a little odd that you recognize this, but you still came here and started a whole thread about the issue. Like, you know you're being played but you still fill the need to be a part of the outrage machine?
I think a topic can be discussed without it being turned into a "Fox News" situation
 
This is about as true as kids going to school a boy and coming home a girl because the public schools provided sex change operations without informing parents.

Goddam, you people will believe anything. “Woke mob?” JFC.
i mean, so far we have one poster (super, who is a treasure but could probably find an issue with his winning lottery ticket) who has expressed a shred of doubt about the ads but WOKE MOB!!!
 
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