America's Reichstag fire??? (ICE, Nat’l Guard & Military in LA)

Calheel said:
A huge percentage of the apolitical do not care about this issue and are not even aware of this issue.

I'd wager that out of the 350 million Americans, maybe only 50 million of them have any idea there have been riots in LA. Of those, maybe 10-20 million have heard anything Donald Trump has said or done. And of those, maybe 50-60% think he is full of shit (even the Heelyeah's who vote for Trump don't believe most of what he says).

I am comfortable that there are not 175 million plus Americans who believe Donald Trump's lies about the military in Los Angeles.
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Sorry, the point I was trying to make was about trusting Trump to tell the truth generally, not about LA specifically. That may not have been clear.
 
lawtig02 said:
Maybe not, but I worry a huge percentage of the apolitical assume Trump is telling something resembling the truth because they’re not plugged in enough to know better. Add them to the 40% of Americans who are plugged in but are gullible enough to trust Trump and it could potentially be a majority.
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I don't think Trump has ever come close to convincing a "majority" of Americans about anything. He has a pretty loyal following at about 25% of the public -- those people will accept pretty much what he says no matter how crazy. I think there are another 10%-20% who are default Republicans who recognize that Trump is a BS artist but they don't like liberals. There is probably a solid 20% that is completely apolitical and just chooses the lesser of two evils when election time rolls around and they simply don't have the bandwidth to think about Trump at all. And the remaining 35%-45% of the population is pretty anti-Trump no matter what.

If you simply don't count the 20% of people who pay no attention at all to Trump (and really, why would you consider those people -- they are only marginally relevant every four years and otherwise they have no say in political decisions), I don't think he is anywhere close to convincing 50% of the people who pay attention to this kind of stuff.
 
Calheel said:
Majority?
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I worry that lawtig might be correct.

Significant percentage of “Independents” and “moderates” living in the suburbs and exurbs believe in “law and order” (and low taxes); if Trump is “supporting” “law and order,” they’ll back him.
 
nycfan said:
SecDef seems to think they are National Guard(?)

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Hegseth is both an idiot and a liar. I don't take that as confirmation of anything. My betting line is still that it is Homeland Security "police" but I'll believe it is military when it is confirmed by some neutral and reputable source.
 
Zoo_View said:
I worry that lawtig might be correct.

Significant percentage of “Independents” and “moderates” living in the suburbs and exurbs believe in “law and order” (and low taxes); if Trump is “supporting” “law and order,” they’ll back him.
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I believe in law and order and low taxes, too. But that doesn't mean they believe Trump when he says he is turning on the water to LA or that he saved LA from ruin or any of the other myriad crazy stuff he says every day.
 
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