America's Reichstag fire??? (ICE, Nat’l Guard & Military in LA)

Calheel said:
I believe in law and order and low taxes, too. But that doesn't mean they believe Trump when he says he is turning on the water to LA or that he saved LA from ruin or any of the other myriad crazy stuff he says every day.
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Have you ever supported Donald Trump? I doubt it. Doesn’t matter. You definitely don’t today.

Those that have/do are the “moderates” and “Independents” I’m talking about.

I expect you believe in law more than order; the “moderates” and “Independents” that support or lean to supporting Trump believe more in order than law.

You’re not a Trumplican.
 
Zoo_View said:
The patch on the man in the foreground should help identify his unit, right?
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The patch is just on one of the people, which is one of the reasons it looks like cosplay and not real military. It resembles the Army 25 infantry division, but they are based in Hawaii, so that makes no sense.

U.S. ARMY 25TH INFANTRY DIVISION PATCH (SSI)

us army 25th infantry division military Patch
www.uniforms-4u.com www.uniforms-4u.com
 
Zoo_View said:
Have you ever supported Donald Trump? I doubt it. Doesn’t matter. You definitely don’t today.

Those that have/do are the “moderates” and “Independents” I’m talking about.

I expect you believe in law more than order; the “moderates” and “Independents” that support or lean to supporting Trump believe more in order than law.

You’re not a Trumplican.
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No, I didn't even like him on the Apprentice. But I know a lot of Republicans. And very few believe him literally.
 
Calheel said:
No, I didn't even like him on the Apprentice. But I know a lot of Republicans. And very few believe him literally.
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Do they vote for him and GOP Senate and House candidates?

If they do, I don’t care if they claim to not like him, believe him, or support him.
 
Zoo_View said:
Do they vote for him and GOP Senate and House candidates?

If they do, I don’t care if they claim to not like him, believe him, or support him.
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I mean, they don't take me into the voting booths with them. But based on their comments, I suspect the vast, vast majority of them voted for Trump. Unlike @CFordUNC, these people are not going to switch parties and vote for Democrats.
 
Calheel said:
I mean, they don't take me into the voting booths with them. But based on their comments, I suspect the vast, vast majority of them voted for Trump. Unlike @CFordUNC, these people are not going to switch parties and vote for Democrats.
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Right, so, a good number of “Independents” or “moderates” or “I don’t like Trump, but…..” support Trumpism while saying they don’t like Trump.

So, we’re getting closer and closer to lawtig’s 50%+1.
 
Zoo_View said:
Right, so, a good number of “Independents” or “moderates” or “I don’t like Trump, but…..” support Trumpism while saying they don’t like Trump.

So, we’re getting closer and closer to lawtig’s 50%+1.
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In a two-party system, people vote against the other party at least as much as they vote for any candidate. You give Trump way too much credit (and power) when you suggest that a majority of Americans believe what he says.
 
Calheel said:
In a two-party system, people vote against the other party at least as much as they vote for any candidate. You give Trump way too much credit (and power) when you suggest that a majority of Americans believe what he says.
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I’m not saying they believe it.

I’m saying they’ll support it.
 
Zoo_View said:
I’m not saying they believe it.

I’m saying they’ll support it.
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That is a different issue. Lawtig wrote:

“I think he’s realized he can create a reality that will be believed by a majority of Americans”

That was the comment I took issue with.
 
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