America's Reichstag fire??? (ICE, Nat’l Guard & Military in LA)

nycfan said:
… “It’s a strange thing for me to say as a law professor that maybe the law doesn’t matter,” Chen said. “I don’t know that [Trump] particularly cares that he’s doing something illegal.”“
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This was one of the reasons I retired from teaching. I felt I no longer could tell the truth and do my job. Kids aren't paying $40K a year in tuition or whatever it is now to hear the professors say, "eh, the law doesn't really matter any more."
 
superrific said:
This was one of the reasons I retired from teaching. I felt I no longer could tell the truth and do my job. Kids aren't paying $40K a year in tuition or whatever it is now to hear the professors say, "eh, the law doesn't really matter any more."
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99.9999% of the law has nothing to do with Trump and there are millions of people trying to apply the law correctly every day in all sorts of ways.

If you want to talk about how judges or juries decide wrongly based on emotions and biases, rather than the text of the law, I could get behind that. But that has been true since the Middle Ages.
 
superrific said:
This was one of the reasons I retired from teaching. I felt I no longer could tell the truth and do my job. Kids aren't paying $40K a year in tuition or whatever it is now to hear the professors say, "eh, the law doesn't really matter any more."
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I often teach Education Classes or classes in which the students are considering becoming teachers. By far their greatest concern is "will I be permitted to tell the truth?"
 
Calheel said:
99.9999% of the law has nothing to do with Trump and there are millions of people trying to apply the law correctly every day in all sorts of ways.
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Don't try to lecture me about my own experience, especially when you don't know what you are talking about. How many law school courses have you taught?

Imagine yourself trying to teach Con Law or Admin Law in an age of Bruen and Trump v. United States and Shelby County and the multitude of catastrophes last year. How? How do you teach 1L law students that the law matters when it clearly does not to the US Supreme Court. It's not Trump per se that is the problem; it's the lawlessness of the Supreme Court. And if you think the problem with the Supreme Court is that they are deciding cases based on emotions, then you have less understanding of the world than I had thought.

And don't get me started on corporate law. That's not exactly Trump related, but the quality of Delaware corporate law has eroded substantially in recent years. It has certainly become a lot less fun to teach or think about. That's largely because Delaware is racing to the bottom along with Texas.
 
superrific said:
Don't try to lecture me about my own experience, especially when you don't know what you are talking about. How many law school courses have you taught?

Imagine yourself trying to teach Con Law or Admin Law in an age of Bruen and Trump v. United States and Shelby County and the multitude of catastrophes last year. How? How do you teach 1L law students that the law matters when it clearly does not to the US Supreme Court. It's not Trump per se that is the problem; it's the lawlessness of the Supreme Court. And if you think the problem with the Supreme Court is that they are deciding cases based on emotions, then you have less understanding of the world than I had thought.

And don't get me started on corporate law. That's not exactly Trump related, but the quality of Delaware corporate law has eroded substantially in recent years. It has certainly become a lot less fun to teach or think about. That's largely because Delaware is racing to the bottom along with Texas.
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Your particular specialties understandably color your view. The "law" is a lot more than bad Supreme Court decisions.
 
Calheel said:
Your particular specialties understandably color your view. The "law" is a lot more than bad Supreme Court decisions.
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Fine. Law matters, except apparently not in the most important cases. I don't want to teach that either. You've got to remember: law students are pretty fucking far from practicing lawyers. Supreme Court opinions form the vast majority of reading materials in federal law courses until perhaps 3L year.

I guarantee you I'm not the only person who came to find teaching law depressing and dishonest for precisely this reason. Maybe contracts has been unaffected. I didn't teach contracts.
 
This hearing is not going well. Trump judges are hassling the CA attorney on niggling points. They claim to be bound by dicta from an 1827 case, which is preposterous. That case involved a militiaman who didn't want to be mobilized DURING THE WAR OF 1812. And his justification was that the militia wasn't needed. Well, duh. Of course the militiaman cannot second-guess the president's orders. That's not even remotely the same thing.

The Trump judges are going to fold.
 
superrific said:
This hearing is not going well. Trump judges are hassling the CA attorney on niggling points. They claim to be bound by dicta from an 1827 case, which is preposterous. That case involved a militiaman who didn't want to be mobilized DURING THE WAR OF 1812. And his justification was that the militia wasn't needed. Well, duh. Of course the militiaman cannot second-guess the president's orders. That's not even remotely the same thing.

The Trump judges are going to fold.
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