Approval/Disapproval Polls

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superrific said:
It doesn't matter. Dem president will hopefully rid us of the Supreme Court. That needs to be #1 on the priority list.
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That’s already happened. Ain’t no mo’ SCOTUS. Not like we knew it to be.

Fuck you Bernie Sanders and your Bernie Bots. It’s all your fault!

(Just kidding, love you Bernie! ☮️👍🙏😇🥰)
 
Centerpiece said:
Totally on point. Had a friend who predicted in Jan. 2021 that the U.S. would eventually split into 2 States (A two State solution) Red and Blue. Red States on one side. Blue on the other. And the prediction wasn't another Civil War - like the Right wing nuts want. No. A reconciliation whereby the Union is dissolved in some sort of amicable manner and we all just simply "get along" like Rodney King wanted. Except the Blue States will be far better off.

Of course this is folly. The Reds will blow everything up before that happens. And they're well on their way to do just that.
"Nice try Dems!" "With your this and that" "Not gonna happen!" "We'll take our ball and go home - and then blow it all up!"
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IMO, there's at least two huge problems with the idea of a peaceful division of the country into red (MAGA!) and blue nations. The first is that, geographically speaking, the split is not so much regional but more rural/urban, which would make it very difficult in many states to effect a peaceful division. Just look at NC, which is divided almost 50/50. How would you create any kind of geographic division in this state that makes sense and would be workable and practical? And if you try to divide the country regionally and say "well, you conservatives living in blue nation are just going to have to move, and liberals living in MAGA Nation are going to have to move" that's not going to work - good luck getting massive numbers of people (especially rural conservatives) to move quickly to another section of the country. They're more likely to just stay and fight or try to take over the new liberal nation.

But the second and even larger problem - as you alluded to - is the mindset of American conservatives. Most of them would probably rather cut off their right arm than allow hated LibDem elites to form their own country beyond their control and domination. IMO, a huge part of their psychological makeup is having an enemy to fight and rally around, and I just don't see them ever peacefully living with the liberal blue nation that would result from such a split. There would be constant comparisons, constant resentment, constant fear, constant outrage, and attempts to undermine or just take over the liberal nation. And that would especially be true if the liberal nation did better economically and in other ways than MAGA Nation (which is likely to happen). Any problems in MAGA Nation would always be blamed on the evil liberal nation next door that would be constantly portrayed in right-wing media as always undermining their economy and making them miserable. It's what they do, and I don't think a separation would ever be peaceful or tolerated by conservatives for long.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
IMO, there's at least two huge problems with the idea of a peaceful division of the country into red (MAGA!) and blue nations. The first is that, geographically speaking, the split is not so much regional but more rural/urban, which would make it very difficult in many states to effect a peaceful division. Just look at NC, which is divided almost 50/50. How would you create any kind of geographic division in this state that makes sense and would be workable and practical? And if you try to divide the country regionally and say "well, you conservatives living in blue nation are just going to have to move, and liberals living in MAGA Nation are going to have to move" that's not going to work - good luck getting massive numbers of people (especially rural conservatives) to move quickly to another section of the country. They're more likely to just stay and fight or try to take over the new liberal nation.

But the second and even larger problem - as you alluded to - is the mindset of American conservatives. Most of them would probably rather cut off their right arm than allow hated LibDem elites to form their own country beyond their control and domination. IMO, a huge part of their psychological makeup is having an enemy to fight and rally around, and I just don't see them ever peacefully living with the liberal blue nation that would result from such a split. There would be constant comparisons, constant resentment, constant fear, constant outrage, and attempts to undermine or just take over the liberal nation. And that would especially be true if the liberal nation did better economically and in other ways than MAGA Nation (which is likely to happen). Any problems in MAGA Nation would always be blamed on the evil liberal nation next door that's always undermining their economy and making them miserable. It's what they do, and I don't think a separation would ever be peaceful or tolerated by conservatives for long.
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Indeed. Folly to even think of it.
BTW, my friend who predicted this is making plans to move to London. He’s a pro musician and already does a ton of touring in Europe and U.K. Anyway. He’s had enough.
I like London.
I’d love a move to Chichester or Brighton.
Or back to Switzerland.
Wife wants Northern Spain. She speaks the lingo.
Fuck Maga Amurikkka. This place sux.
 
CFordUNC said:
Thought this was a really good read.

"Blue State Dems Are Having an Overdue Reckoning With Their Own Power. This is a break-the-glass moment. So let’s talk about all the glass available, not just congressional maps"
"If we’re serious about confronting the threats facing American democracy, then it’s time to fully embrace blue state power. Not as a fallback, not to punish the people of red states, but as the confident exercise of power in the public interest — to make people’s lives better. Now is not the time to shy away from the power we have. Now is the time to wring it dry."
talkingpointsmemo.com

Blue State Dems Are Having an Overdue Reckoning With Their Own Power

This article is part of TPM Cafe, TPM’s home for opinion and news...
talkingpointsmemo.com
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At this point Dems need to do it the "Chicago way"

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One of the things that polling of this variety obscures is the inherent discontinuity between what Americans want and the tribalism lanes they are guided into by money in politics, that being profoundly related to disinformation in the uptake of various media. Then there is the larger chasm between what they want and what politicians work for. Many times I have pointed to polling on issues rather than parties, to show something more valuable to us, but let's engage in a thought experiment.

Say any of you listed the top broad scope policy priorities over the last couple of decades for elected Democrats and elected Republicans. Pick the top ten for both.

I would say near the top for actual policy pursuits for Republicans would be two items: tax cuts for the wealthy (though Republicans don't accurately frame it in that way), and increasing corporate power and reducing controls on this, regardless of negative impacts on average citizens (though Republicans don't frame it that way).

I would say near the top for actual policy pursuits for Democrats would be two items: Healthcare for as many citizens as possible, and protecting average citizens from harms of various kinds (including indirect things like care for the environment, etc.).

Now then... Go ahead and list your own ten for each party, and not what they say, but what elected politicians have actively pursued in policies. You can include my two for each, or come up with an entirely different ten policy pursuits.

Now, what would be the polling results of the American people on those items? This is the actual problem, that party ID polling is blind to, in the gap between what Americans want, what elected politicians do, and what Americans end up voting for.
 
The MFers in those polls who didn't vote have no opinion. They're the reason we're in this mess. Fuck anyone who didn't vote or tossed their vote away on a third party.
 
CFordUNC said:


If Republicans are cratering this badly with Latinos, the gerrymandering fuckery they’re trying to undertake in Texas could backfire spectacularly on them.
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I look at shit like this and can’t help but think “wtf did you think was going to happen with this motherfucker as president, and his Nazi handlers pulling the strings?”

Trump made historic gains with Hispanics, all the while his blatant racism and racist policies were out in the fucking open. Jfc. I guess they’re at least bailing, thus, demonstrating reason and pragmatism. All the while, over there in Jasper, meemaw, Uncle Ricky, and Aunt Stephanie see the factory close, their health insurance revoked, and the local hospital go bankrupt and are all “but is he fucking up dem mezicans? Right on!”
 
Healing said:
I look at shit like this and can’t help but think “wtf did you think was going to happen with this motherfucker as president, and his Nazi handlers pulling the strings?”

Trump made historic gains with Hispanics, all the while his blatant racism and racist policies were out in the fucking open. Jfc. I guess they’re at least bailing, thus, demonstrating reason and pragmatism. All the while, over there in Jasper, meemaw, Uncle Ricky, and Aunt Stephanie see the factory close, their health insurance revoked, and the local hospital go bankrupt and are all “but is he fucking up dem mezicans? Right on!”
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I’ll give the marginally educated voters who supported Trump a pass. Calla and Ram should have known better, and they still managed to shit the bed.
 
Many of the minorities and young people who voted for Trump believed his lies about "rescuing" the economy and bringing prices down. Unfortunately, they figured it out several months too late.
 
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