Battle over Mandatory (aka “Entitlement”) Spending

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Medicaid has been a target for years. The cuts have mostly been incremental. This administration is going to gut the program. If they do, the ramifications will reach well beyond just impacting people who are on Medicaid.
Rural healthcare, as a whole, is already rough. This country has healthcare deserts, and the seemingly inevitable cuts to medicaid will make it substantially worse, while concurrently threatening the large, specialist-laden, urban systems. You know, the ones maga relies upon when they get lung cancer or lymphoma or a MRSA infection from an unaddressed diabetic foot wound or need a mitral valve replacement or or or ...
 
Rural healthcare, as a whole, is already rough. This country has healthcare deserts, and the seemingly inevitable cuts to medicaid will make it substantially worse, while concurrently threatening the large, specialist-laden, urban systems. You know, the ones maga relies upon when they get lung cancer or lymphoma or a MRSA infection from an unaddressed diabetic foot wound or need a mitral valve replacement or or or ...
Couldn’t agree more. Medicaid doesn’t just cover nursing home payments and trips to the doctor. There are also programs that help people who are challenged function within their communities. If Trump does indeed gut Medicaid, the desert you mentioned will get more barren.
 
Couldn’t agree more. Medicaid doesn’t just cover nursing home payments and trips to the doctor. There are also programs that help people who are challenged function within their communities. If Trump does indeed gut Medicaid, the desert you mentioned will get more barren.
Medicaid also covers a lot of home health, like infusions, wound care, fall and home safety consults (including for acquired and developmental disabilities), and swallowing evals. Good luck in the sticks. Prevalence of Disability and Disability Types by Urban-Rural County Classification – United States, 2016:
  • According to this study, the prevalence of adults with a disability in the United States is significantly higher in rural areas compared to large metropolitan areas. These findings, along with a recent study showing that the percentage of adults having at least four of five health-related behaviors (sufficient sleep, current nonsmoking, nondrinking or moderate drinking, maintaining a healthy body weight, and meeting aerobic physical activity recommendations) was lowest in noncore counties,3 indicates the need for rural public health interventions to be inclusive of people with disabilities.
  • Compared with adults with disabilities living in urban areas, those in rural areas may face additional barriers (e.g., lower socioeconomic position, transportation problems, access to education and vocational rehabilitation services, access to health care and accessible communities)4 to maintaining and improving their health, quality of life, and community participation. Making rural communities disability inclusive and accessible can potentially improve the health and well-being of this population.

And what most folks don't understand is the impact on rural hospitals isn't just a direct pay issue. It's an issue of time occupying a bed. Every day, a hospital bed costs a facility several thousands of dollars, irrespective of whether the patient is receiving care. Insurance only pays for hospital level care while the patient requires hospital level care; when the patient progresses to rehab level care, the hospital gets a rehab level reimbursement. When you reduce home health services, people rely on the hospital more frequently because they aren't, or can't, manage their meds or wound care or O2 renewal or personal hygiene, etc. Sometimes that's considered hospital level care, sometimes not. Additionally, SNFs go out of business, left and right. Therefore, patients linger in the hospital for days, often weeks - I've seen months - waiting for a safe post-acute setting, while generating a fraction of the insurance payment needed to cover their costs (we all eat those costs). These patients devastate hospitals, particularly rural ones, which often operate on razor thin margins - hell, Mass General is losing hundreds of millions, what do you think is happening to the already barebones Rural Co. Hospital owned by HCA?
 
Medicaid also covers a lot of home health, like infusions, wound care, fall and home safety consults (including for acquired and developmental disabilities), and swallowing evals. Good luck in the sticks. Prevalence of Disability and Disability Types by Urban-Rural County Classification – United States, 2016:
  • According to this study, the prevalence of adults with a disability in the United States is significantly higher in rural areas compared to large metropolitan areas. These findings, along with a recent study showing that the percentage of adults having at least four of five health-related behaviors (sufficient sleep, current nonsmoking, nondrinking or moderate drinking, maintaining a healthy body weight, and meeting aerobic physical activity recommendations) was lowest in noncore counties,3 indicates the need for rural public health interventions to be inclusive of people with disabilities.
  • Compared with adults with disabilities living in urban areas, those in rural areas may face additional barriers (e.g., lower socioeconomic position, transportation problems, access to education and vocational rehabilitation services, access to health care and accessible communities)4 to maintaining and improving their health, quality of life, and community participation. Making rural communities disability inclusive and accessible can potentially improve the health and well-being of this population.

And what most folks don't understand is the impact on rural hospitals isn't just a direct pay issue. It's an issue of time occupying a bed. Every day, a hospital bed costs a facility several thousands of dollars, irrespective of whether the patient is receiving care. Insurance only pays for hospital level care while the patient requires hospital level care; when the patient progresses to rehab level care, the hospital gets a rehab level reimbursement. When you reduce home health services, people rely on the hospital more frequently because they aren't, or can't, manage their meds or wound care or O2 renewal or personal hygiene, etc. Sometimes that's considered hospital level care, sometimes not. Additionally, SNFs go out of business, left and right. Therefore, patients linger in the hospital for days, often weeks - I've seen months - waiting for a safe post-acute setting, while generating a fraction of the insurance payment needed to cover their costs (we all eat those costs). These patients devastate hospitals, particularly rural ones, which often operate on razor thin margins - hell, Mass General is losing hundreds of millions, what do you think is happening to the already barebones Rural Co. Hospital owned by HCA?
Once again, I agree. Part of my career was in healthcare on the financial side. A lot of people don’t understand the consequences of what will happen if Medicaid funding is significantly cut.
 
Once again, I agree. Part of my career was in healthcare on the financial side. A lot of people don’t understand the consequences of what will happen if Medicaid funding is significantly cut.
That is why I suspect it won't. Republicans have tried to cut Medicaid before and rural hospitals started shutting down. Republicans pulled back on those efforts real quick.

I think they will try to introduce some sort of work requirement and potentially tighten up the requirements on some services covered by Medicaid but I think it'll mostly stay in place.
 
That is why I suspect it won't. Republicans have tried to cut Medicaid before and rural hospitals started shutting down. Republicans pulled back on those efforts real quick.

I think they will try to introduce some sort of work requirement and potentially tighten up the requirements on some services covered by Medicaid but I think it'll mostly stay in place.
Hope you are right. Because things will get dire for millions of people if you aren’t.
 
That is why I suspect it won't. Republicans have tried to cut Medicaid before and rural hospitals started shutting down. Republicans pulled back on those efforts real quick.

I think they will try to introduce some sort of work requirement and potentially tighten up the requirements on some services covered by Medicaid but I think it'll mostly stay in place.
Republicans aren’t in charge of this. It’s Trump and Musk and they appear to give zero shits about getting it right. That’s not to say they wouldn’t backtrack, but they aren’t terribly quick to recognize (or acknowledge) mistakes and even less so to correct them.
 
Republicans aren’t in charge of this. It’s Trump and Musk and they appear to give zero shits about getting it right. That’s not to say they wouldn’t backtrack, but they aren’t terribly quick to recognize (or acknowledge) mistakes and even less so to correct them.

Ezra Klein pitches the problem as follows: Musk's strategy of radical cuts might work in business, where the feedback is quick and the fixes are more straightforward. But the federal government does not have the same mechanisms for rapid feedback and it oversees processes whose downstream effects won't be apparent until the mid- or long-term.
 
Medicaid also covers a lot of home health, like infusions, wound care, fall and home safety consults (including for acquired and developmental disabilities), and swallowing evals. Good luck in the sticks. Prevalence of Disability and Disability Types by Urban-Rural County Classification – United States, 2016:
  • According to this study, the prevalence of adults with a disability in the United States is significantly higher in rural areas compared to large metropolitan areas. These findings, along with a recent study showing that the percentage of adults having at least four of five health-related behaviors (sufficient sleep, current nonsmoking, nondrinking or moderate drinking, maintaining a healthy body weight, and meeting aerobic physical activity recommendations) was lowest in noncore counties,3 indicates the need for rural public health interventions to be inclusive of people with disabilities.
Many of those rural disabilities are actually rural unemployment payments. There's no reason rural folk should be more disabled. There is a reason why rural docs would certify more disabilities.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm not interested in digging into the disability scams at the moment. Let everyone who has a "disability" keep it. Let's save health care.
 
Ezra Klein pitches the problem as follows: Musk's strategy of radical cuts might work in business, where the feedback is quick and the fixes are more straightforward. But the federal government does not have the same mechanisms for rapid feedback and it oversees processes whose downstream effects won't be apparent until the mid- or long-term.
Ezra's not wrong, but I'm not sure it applies to the situation here. Musk's strategy of radical cuts DIDN'T work in business. That's one reason twitter fell apart.

I'd say the better descriptor is that the "move fast and break things" slogan was meant to apply to other people's things. You know, the way Uber broke taxicab regulation -- to its benefit and the detriment of local taxi providers. But when moving too fast, Elon has a tendency to break his own things. With twitter. With DOGE. Now with Tesla. (breaking his own thing in DOGE isn't quite the right analogy; I guess in that context it means undermines his own effectiveness)
 
Many of those rural disabilities are actually rural unemployment payments. There's no reason rural folk should be more disabled. There is a reason why rural docs would certify more disabilities.
I disagree. Higher incidence of poverty can drive a lot of other factors that can contribute to disabilities - less educational attainment and adherence to recommended workplace safety precautions, less access to qualified treatment and rehabilitation for injuries, greater need to take on tasks better suited to professional, even roads that are less safe than in urban areas. I doubt any one of those alone is a major contributor or that fraud isn’t a factor, but it’s a far cry from no legitimate reason for the higher rates.
 
Many of those rural disabilities are actually rural unemployment payments. There's no reason rural folk should be more disabled. There is a reason why rural docs would certify more disabilities.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm not interested in digging into the disability scams at the moment. Let everyone who has a "disability" keep it. Let's save health care.
Yes, and.

Rural communities have measurable issues with health literacy, risk factors, and access to education and healthcare.
 
More than inner-city communities?
socioeconomic and demographic factors play significant and obvious roles. Access to pcps doesn’t tend to differ much, but specialist access (the kind Medicaid cuts likely further concentrate in urban centers) is notably different, as are markers of health literacy and access/knowledge of health education resources.

I’ve seen statistics suggesting disability rates are 15% or more in rural communities. Fraud, as you suggest, could count for a considerable portion of the difference, but unlikely most.

 
socioeconomic and demographic factors play significant and obvious roles. Access to pcps doesn’t tend to differ much, but specialist access (the kind Medicaid cuts likely further concentrate in urban centers) is notably different, as are markers of health literacy and access/knowledge of health education resources.

I’ve seen statistics suggesting disability rates are 15% or more in rural communities. Fraud, as you suggest, could count for a considerable portion of the difference, but unlikely most.

All right. Thanks.
 
More than inner-city communities?
I have not read every post-but if the data shows "Urban vs Rural" it could be "inner city " is buried by the larger Urban numbers. Si "inner city " alone may well have equallly depreseeing numbers ??
 

DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse​

Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.


“… The project is being organized by Elon Musk lieutenant Steve Davis, multiple sources who were not given permission to talk to the media tell WIRED, and aims to migrate all SSA systems off COBOL, one of the first common business-oriented programming languages, and onto a more modern replacement like Java within a scheduled tight timeframe of a few months.

… Under any circumstances, a migration of this size and scale would be a massive undertaking, experts tell WIRED, but the expedited deadline runs the risk of obstructing payments to the more than 65 million people in the US currently receiving Social Security benefits.

… This proposed migration isn’t the first time SSA has tried to move away from COBOL: In 2017, SSA announced a plan to receive hundreds of millions in funding to replace its core systems. The agency predicted that it would take around five years to modernize these systems. Because of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020, the agency pivoted away from this work to focus on more public-facing projects.

… In order to migrate all COBOL code into a more modern language within a few months, DOGE would likely need to employ some form of generative artificial intelligence to help translate the millions of lines of code, sources tell WIRED. “DOGE thinks if they can say they got rid of all the COBOL in months, then their way is the right way, and we all just suck for not breaking shit,” says the SSA technologist.

… “This is an environment that is held together with bail wire and duct tape,” the former senior SSA technologist working in the office of the chief information officer tells WIRED. “The leaders need to understand that they’re dealing with a house of cards or Jenga. If they start pulling pieces out, which they’ve already stated they’re doing, things can break.” “

——
Moving from COBOL to JAVA seems like a very reasonable goal but it’s the kind of thing that needs to be done with care and oversight, not dashed out as fast as possible before anyone can examine the process or impact.
 

DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Code Base in Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse​

Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.


“… The project is being organized by Elon Musk lieutenant Steve Davis, multiple sources who were not given permission to talk to the media tell WIRED, and aims to migrate all SSA systems off COBOL, one of the first common business-oriented programming languages, and onto a more modern replacement like Java within a scheduled tight timeframe of a few months.

… Under any circumstances, a migration of this size and scale would be a massive undertaking, experts tell WIRED, but the expedited deadline runs the risk of obstructing payments to the more than 65 million people in the US currently receiving Social Security benefits.

… This proposed migration isn’t the first time SSA has tried to move away from COBOL: In 2017, SSA announced a plan to receive hundreds of millions in funding to replace its core systems. The agency predicted that it would take around five years to modernize these systems. Because of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020, the agency pivoted away from this work to focus on more public-facing projects.

… In order to migrate all COBOL code into a more modern language within a few months, DOGE would likely need to employ some form of generative artificial intelligence to help translate the millions of lines of code, sources tell WIRED. “DOGE thinks if they can say they got rid of all the COBOL in months, then their way is the right way, and we all just suck for not breaking shit,” says the SSA technologist.

… “This is an environment that is held together with bail wire and duct tape,” the former senior SSA technologist working in the office of the chief information officer tells WIRED. “The leaders need to understand that they’re dealing with a house of cards or Jenga. If they start pulling pieces out, which they’ve already stated they’re doing, things can break.” “

——
Moving from COBOL to JAVA seems like a very reasonable goal but it’s the kind of thing that needs to be done with care and oversight, not dashed out as fast as possible before anyone can examine the process or impact.
Plus would rather have a team doing this whose sole intention is to update the SSA system. Do not trust DOGE to do this for multiple reasons, one of which is their intent. No telling what they will add to the coding.
 
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