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O Ye of little faith knows what he’s talking about.
Carolina gets blown out- sure as the world.
Carolina gets blown out- sure as the world.
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We are not going 8-20.
Seriously we got to do this already,? We are 13-2 with some nice wins and one of the most fun players to watch ever in Carolina blue and we have to talk about firing the coach. Let the season unfold.
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It’s a message board. Why not do it? Our coach, IMO, has put us in this position to talk about this.
Wonder what Dean Smith's position would be? If only we knew
Have at it. I will try to enjoy this team and the season.
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UK is 9-5 with a $22,000,000 payroll. Do you think Mark Pope gets fired this year?
St Johns is 9-5 and lost at home today to #78 Providence. Should Rick Pitino be on the hot seat?
Mick Cronin? He's 10-4 with Donovan Dent and lost to Cal.
Florida is 9-4 and lost to #53 TCU? Is Todd Golden out?
Sean Miller at 9-4 #47 Texas?
Wes Miller at #66 Cincinnati? They lost at home to #209 E Michigan and are 8-6.
I think if Carolina went undefeated, some of you would complain that they didn't win by a large enough margin of victory.
St Johns is 9-5 and lost at home today to #78 Providence. Should Rick Pitino be on the hot seat?
Mick Cronin? He's 10-4 with Donovan Dent and lost to Cal.
Florida is 9-4 and lost to #53 TCU? Is Todd Golden out?
Sean Miller at 9-4 #47 Texas?
Wes Miller at #66 Cincinnati? They lost at home to #209 E Michigan and are 8-6.
I think if Carolina went undefeated, some of you would complain that they didn't win by a large enough margin of victory.
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We don’t know what Dean’s position would be. He didn’t want Doherty hired and he was right. Maybe he wouldn’t have wanted Hubert hired.
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Or we could just be rational and be talking about our view of things on a message board which is the whole point of message boards
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This was debated endlessly at the end of last season and the general consensus here seemed to be a Top 10 finish this season, a Top 3 finish in the ACC and a deep run (Sweet 16 bare minimum, Elite Eight/Final Four better) or he was likely out at the end of the year. What I'm at least as interested to hear is what replacement coach those who want him gone have lined up. There is no guaranteed Roy Williams type out there, and given how much we're already paying Belichick and his staff I'm wondering where the big bucks would come from to line up a big name coach who is likely to succeed right away.
And while I've been a Davis supporter, I'm not saying that we shouldn't fire him if things go south this season, only that replacing him with a "guaranteed proven winner" is likely going to be much harder this time around than it was when we fired Doherty.
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That's not the issue. He has been hired. I am guessing dean would not want to fire a guy averaging 25 wins, who took a team to title game and likely would have won except for injuries to bacot and manek, had another team that was a No. 1 seed, and a key architect of totally remaking a team this year into what apparently everyone wanted, a bigger team that might could make a run, and now has some quad 1 wins and a 13-2 record.
And if you are honest you know that.
As I said I’m on team let the season play out, but I’m sure the fan bases of some of those examples you listed are also absolutely talking about hot seats lol.
Todd Golden just won a title last season and it’s only Sean Miller’s first season at Texas so those 2 are obviously fine. Mark Pope probably gets another season but his seat will be scalding if he doesn’t turn things around for UK the rest of this season. There have been rumblings about Cronin and UCLA in previous seasons so I don’t think he’s completely safe. I’m not sure if SJU would actually fire Pitino for one bad seasons but given his age I don’t think it’s out of the question if things continue trending in the wrong direction this season. Wes Miller’s seat is as hot as it gets. I bet he actually does get fired by the end of the season.
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There are no established "surefire" big name coaches like Roy who are likely to come here, and taking a younger college coach, no matter how promising they seem, is always a gamble - it might work and it might not. And going to the NBA would also be risky. Again, not saying that if the team implodes and has a disappointing finish that we shouldn't look elsewhere, only that there is no Roy Williams sure bet type out there anymore. And truth be told, we were damned lucky that Roy was there and available and willing to come when Doherty was let go.
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And even if there were, I’m not sure it matters nearly as much in today’s version of college basketball.
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Also a coach who returned 4 starters from a final four team and failed to make the tournament and then squeaked in as a play in team. Hubert has had an amazing finish to a season, a, by UNC standards a fairly typical year, and two terrible years.
If you were honest, you would admit Hubert has been below average as a UNC coach.
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Frank Mcquire, DES , ROY, Gut with Dean's all NBA players
I mean other than Kentuck No program ever has had multiple NCAA Final four/champ Coaches like we have
It is an unreasonable standard
If history is the standard. I am not convinced that Hubert has not done a good job given the changing landscape, and our tardiness in adjusting. Coaches like dean said fuck it and quit But I am only saying let's see how season goes and talk then. To me this is not helpful. But it is a message board so there will be those who know more that the coaching staff.
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Rational, sure.
If I wanted knee-jerk overreaction, I can find that at IC or Facebook.
I consider you rational and intelligent. I get the disappointment of today's loss, but some 18-22 year old kids lost a basketball game to a good team and a good coach at their place. It happens. Coach Smith said not to treat each game as life or death. For one, you'll be dead a lot.
Everyone handles things differently. I'm going to celebrate the wins, try not to dwell on the losses, and enjoy this season of Carolina basketball. I managed to survive 1984 with Jordan, Perkins, Daugherty, and Kenny Smith losing to Bob Knight and Dan Jockitch and have gone on to a reasonably meaningful life without speculating about firing Coach Dean Smith because that team failed to live up to my expectations.
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I think one thing many fan bases (especially blue blood fan bases) are having a hard time adjusting to - including our own - is that in this new NIL, easy-transfer era of college basketball the kind of consistent year-in-year-out success that existed in the past are likely a thing of the past. In the old days - even up through Roy Williams pre-covid - you could recruit good players, develop and keep them on the bench until they were ready to play, and maintain team consistency from one year to the next. That's virtually impossible now - pretty much every season you're building teams from scratch, and so every season is a question mark to some extent. It's hard to keep and develop non-starters as many of them will transfer if they don't get the playing time they think they deserve, and if they do have talent another program will simply try to lure them away with higher payments. Paying players and getting them paid advertisements isn't as much of a problem with UNC, but I'm beginning to wonder if any coach we bring in will have the kind of consistent success that Dean or Roy (pre-covid) had.
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He inherited a bad situation. Last year was really the first time he had full control over the direction of the program, assuming he wasn't going to show Caleb Love the door after his sophomore year. That guy was a program killer. I've seen it before. Kaufman guy at Illinois a long time ago. Nobody really wanted to play with Caleb; he retarded the development of some of our players; and he was bad for chemistry.
So if you want to criticize him for last year, that's fair. But Caleb Love was a problem and until he left there wasn't going to be success.
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I've said this before, but Coach Smith went eight seasons, 1983-1990, without making a single Final Four despite having some top-rated teams and top-rated recruiting classes. They didn't win a single ACC tournament from 1983 through 1988 back when that still meant something. I remember reading some snarky articles in sports magazines and newspapers when UNC failed to make a Final Four in some years, and there was some talk about how the game "had passed him by" and so on. Had the internet existed back then I can only cringe at what some message board posters would have said about Coach Smith - no doubt they would have wanted him to be fired ("all that talent and he can't get it done - look at what Coach K is doing over in Durham, or Bobby Cremins down at Georgia Tech! We need to get ourselves a younger, more dynamic, up-and-coming coach!"). And then in the 1990s we won a national title and made 4 Final Fours under Coach Smith. He obviously hadn't lost his touch - it's just that getting to the Final Four is harder than most fans like to think, even for powerhouses like UNC and legendary coaches like Dean Smith.