Biorhythms for Carolina @Virginia: Noon Start

superrific said:
I wrote it specifically for you. I'll get back to it when I have a bit of time.
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I was pretty certain you did :). I'm looking forward to reading it!

By the way, I've just started reading Baez's book Gauge Fields, Knots, and Gravity. I've read it before, so not sure why I decided to go through it again. I think you might find (parts of it) pretty interesting. He does a great job with describing gauge theories from a geometrical point of view (fibre bundles and automorphism groups of the total space).
 
SnoopRob said:
If you think I'm "one of those who swings from [Scheyer's] nuts daily", then you've either confused me with someone else or misunderstood my posts on the subject.

I don't think there was any significant evidence that Scheyer was more prepared to be a HC at a top program than HD, with the small pieces of evidence being that Scheyer was apparently instrumental in building the recruiting machine that dook created in the mid-2010s and that he'd been named Co-Associate Head Coach in 2018, which indicates he was likely higher on the dook org chart of assistant coaches than HD was under Roy.

I was surprised when Scheyer was named HC at dook when K announced his retirement. Like UNC, I think dook could have gotten a far more "ready from Day 1" HC than Scheyer if they'd have run a legitimate search rather than promoting an internal hire with no HC experience.

I think it's hard to evaluate coaches like HD and Scheyer who begin their careers at elite programs because it's hard to separate their own respective abilities from the advantages that the programs offer. On the whole, Scheyer has had good success at dook, but it's hard to discern how much of that is due to his actual skill level and how much of that is due to the talent being brought in by the recruiting machine that predated his tenure as HC.
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I don't know . What would having one disappointing year in the last five when you only had the second best class suggest?


  • 2026 (Active/No. 1): Currently ranked #1, featuring 5-star commits Cameron Williams, Deron Rippey Jr., and Bryson Howard, plus 4-star Maxime Meyer.
  • 2025 (No. 1): Features a 4-player, all 5-star class: Cameron Boozer, Shelton Henderson, Nikolas Khamenia, and another commitment.
  • 2024 (No. 1): Led by Cooper Flagg, the top overall recruit, along with 5-stars Khaman Maluach, Isaiah Evans, Kon Knueppel, Patrick Ngongba II, and Darren Harris.
  • 2023 (No. 2): Highlighted by Jared McCain, TJ Power, Sean Stewart, and Caleb Foster.
  • 2022 (No. 1): Included Dereck Lively II (No. 2 overall), Dariq Whitehead, Kyle Filipowski, and Mark Mitchell.
 
finesse said:
I don't know . What would having one disappointing year in the last five when you only had the second best class suggest?


  • 2026 (Active/No. 1): Currently ranked #1, featuring 5-star commits Cameron Williams, Deron Rippey Jr., and Bryson Howard, plus 4-star Maxime Meyer.
  • 2025 (No. 1): Features a 4-player, all 5-star class: Cameron Boozer, Shelton Henderson, Nikolas Khamenia, and another commitment.
  • 2024 (No. 1): Led by Cooper Flagg, the top overall recruit, along with 5-stars Khaman Maluach, Isaiah Evans, Kon Knueppel, Patrick Ngongba II, and Darren Harris.
  • 2023 (No. 2): Highlighted by Jared McCain, TJ Power, Sean Stewart, and Caleb Foster.
  • 2022 (No. 1): Included Dereck Lively II (No. 2 overall), Dariq Whitehead, Kyle Filipowski, and Mark Mitchell.
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Since Scheyer took over, he's ended his 3 seasons like this...

2023: 27-9, ACC Champs, NCAAT Round of 32
2024: 27-9, NCAAT Elite 8
2025: 35-4, ACC Champs & Regular Season Champs, Final 4

For this season, dook is currently 18-1 (7-0), the odds-on favorites to win both the regular season and ACC tourney championships, and is roughly a consensus top 5 team in the country.

For the most part, Scheyer has had consistently good to great seasons in Durham, although there has also been disappointments for him, as well - the NCAAT loss in 2023, no titles of any type in 2024, collapsing in the F4 in 2025.

But, as you rightly point out, it's hard to tell how much of that success is due to Scheyer himself and how much is due to the recruiting machine that brings in the talent.
 
stankeylegjones said:
You think I am a magat?
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No but you act like you've been infected with the feelings thing. You can't look at the recruiting and say that we're playing on a level field. It's damned near that unequal for the last 10 years. You can discount the effect of them being a private school, you can discount the fact that they have a seriously affluent alumni base and you can discount that they are dookies. I don't and I seriously think you take it too lightly about the advantages they have. And to be absolutely clear, I'm not envious. They have, imo, sold their souls for not a hell of a lot more success and less connection. Maybe it works for them. There's something to be said for having the ability to have the hottest escort with you every night.
 
finesse said:
No but you act like you've been infected with the feelings thing. You can't look at the recruiting and say that we're playing on a level field. It's damned near that unequal for the last 10 years. You can discount the effect of them being a private school, you can discount the fact that they have a seriously affluent alumni base and you can discount that they are dookies. I don't and I seriously think you take it too lightly about the advantages they have. And to be absolutely clear, I'm not envious. They have, imo, sold their souls for not a hell of a lot more success and less connection. Maybe it works for them. There's something to be said for having the ability to have the hottest escort with you every night.
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Escort?
 
@stankeylegjones wrote: “Now, stats don't completely determine improvement or regression, so take this for what it's worth to you.”

I think both Ryan and Lubin finished their year at UNC as much better players. In the case of Ryan probably a happier guy too. Bacot was more and more versatile from year to year as well.
 
stankeylegjones said:
It would suggest to me that they've had far fewer disappointing years in the past five than we have.
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depends upon what constitutes disappointing years when you say dook** has FAR fewer disappointing years over the past 4 seasons

National championships ?
Final Fours ?
Season wins ?
Head to head games ?

Yes dook** has been more successful to a degree, but I wonder if some dook** fans are a bit perturbed that their team has not won a national championship in the last 10 years given its superior talent year after year after year.

I think we are 16-4 with wins over two fellow blue bloods ( Kansas and kintuckee )

I suggest we wait at least until the end of the season before deciding whether to fire Coach Davis.
 
heelinhell said:
depends upon what constitutes disappointing years when you say dook** has FAR fewer disappointing years over the past 4 seasons

National championships ?
Final Fours ?
Season wins ?
Head to head games ?

Yes dook** has been more successful to a degree, but I wonder if some dook** fans are a bit perturbed that their team has not won a national championship in the last 10 years given its superior talent year after year after year.

I think we are 16-4 with wins over two fellow blue bloods ( Kansas and kintuckee )

I suggest we wait at least until the end of the season before deciding whether to fire Coach Davis.
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dook has not won any Final Four game, period, in ten years-I think
We have 4 such wins in that time period i do believe
Now dook has 20 lotto picks in that time period surely
 
finesse said:
No but you act like you've been infected with the feelings thing. You can't look at the recruiting and say that we're playing on a level field. It's damned near that unequal for the last 10 years. You can discount the effect of them being a private school, you can discount the fact that they have a seriously affluent alumni base and you can discount that they are dookies. I don't and I seriously think you take it too lightly about the advantages they have. And to be absolutely clear, I'm not envious. They have, imo, sold their souls for not a hell of a lot more success and less connection. Maybe it works for them. There's something to be said for having the ability to have the hottest escort with you every night.
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My apologies for misunderstanding your statement.

Yes, there is something about seeing them succeed in basketball that irritates me, beyond rational belief. Yes, that definitely does bias me in how I view our lack of success on the court. So, let's take them out of the picture, and compare us with the rest of our "peer" programs - programs which have similar prestige, support, resources, etc. We've not been outperforming those programs either, and in many cases clearly underperforming. If you want to take all other programs out of the picture and compare us to what we're "investing" into the program, then we're clearly underperforming there too.
 
heelinhell said:
depends upon what constitutes disappointing years when you say dook** has FAR fewer disappointing years over the past 4 seasons

National championships ?
Final Fours ?
Season wins ?
Head to head games ?

Yes dook** has been more successful to a degree, but I wonder if some dook** fans are a bit perturbed that their team has not won a national championship in the last 10 years given its superior talent year after year after year.

I think we are 16-4 with wins over two fellow blue bloods ( Kansas and kintuckee )

I suggest we wait at least until the end of the season before deciding whether to fire Coach Davis.
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I'm sure they're perturbed about that. And to them, I'd say "at least you've been in contention most of those years."
 
For those in the keep HD camp, is it that you don't think he's been given enough time to get the program back to a top-4 program, or would you be fine with him continuing to coach in exchange for the results we've seen in his tenure?
 
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